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    I certainly remember a link to that final NWS game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I certainly remember a link to that final NWS game.
    Possibly.

    I haven't edited the post, however...which currently still links to the CT match. Most odd.
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    Either way - yes, Gough was poor in that Final, as he had been in the Semi, but it was only 2 games and by-and-large he bowled very well that summer before those last 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Which lies, sorry?
    I can't go to Pakistan because I need to spend time with my family.

    Pretty big one.
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    For the record his last few ODI series:

    Natwest challenge - ER 6.39 (next worst 5.63)
    Natwest series - ER 5.37 (worst by an English bowler)
    SA - ER 4.14 (the one anomaly)
    Champions trophy - ER 4.80 (by an English bowler)
    Natwest challenge - ER 4.44 (well, he did beat Alex Wharf...)

    If he were taking wickets at a great rate then he might be excused such rubbish on an odd occasion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    I can't go to Pakistan because I need to spend time with my family.

    Pretty big one.
    He said that?
    Still doesn't make much difference to me even if he did - but for that matter how do we know he didn't want to spend time with his family, even if he did also want to appear on SCD (which is hardly the most heinous sin in The World).

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    For the record his last few ODI series:

    Natwest challenge - ER 6.39 (next worst 5.63)
    Natwest series - ER 5.37 (worst by an English bowler)
    SA - ER 4.14 (the one anomaly)
    Champions trophy - ER 4.80 (by an English bowler)
    Natwest challenge - ER 4.44 (well, he did beat Alex Wharf...)

    If he were taking wickets at a great rate then he might be excused such rubbish on an odd occasion...
    Except his 2004 figures pre-CT Final and Semi were pretty good.
    Of course, it's more convenient for you to use it in series...
    More accurate would be:
    7-29-1 - pretty decent
    10-50-4 - bit expensive but OK in your terms because he took wickets
    10-41-2 - pretty decent
    6-19-0 - good
    7-48-3 - poor
    10-58-0 - poor
    10-27-2 - excellent (last ball went for 6), even on a dewy pitch
    10-49-1 - not great
    9.1-46-2 - not good
    10-53-3 - poor, but not as bad as the rest
    9-14-2 - superb
    10-47-1 - not great
    10-41-0 - pretty good
    9-70-3 - very poor
    6.5-36-2 - poor
    10-50-0 - poor, especially given that Collingwood got 10-34-4
    6.2-43-1 - very poor
    4-37-1 - poor and limited
    So, really, it was only the last 2 in 2004 and the last 4 in 2005 that were especially dreadful - and they're outnumbered 11 to 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    He said that?
    Still doesn't make much difference to me even if he did - but for that matter how do we know he didn't want to spend time with his family, even if he did also want to appear on SCD (which is hardly the most heinous sin in The World).
    If he wanted to spend time with his family, why did he start doing a program that meant he was going to be away from them for an extended time (equivalent to being in Pakistan in fact)

    He lied to the selectors, and no matter which way you try and dress it up, that is wrong.

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    And you've never taken a day off work saying "I'm ill" because, for instance, you wanted to watch the cricket?
    (Even if you haven't, countless millions of people have, for reasons such as)
    I see little difference.
    In any case - you still can't prove he didn't also want to spend time with his family. How much time did learning to dance a bit really take? I didn't watch the thing, but I can't believe it'd have been more than a few hours a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    And you've never taken a day off work saying "I'm ill" because, for instance, you wanted to watch the cricket?
    No, I haven't, because I have respect for my employers.

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    You can't get away from the fact that he didn't tell the truth. He took adavantage of the fact that the management has been very flexible on things to do with the family, not holding it against the players, and yet he goes off and appears on a TV show chasing after fame and fortune.

    I mean had he decided half-way through the winter he was bored and went off to play grade-cricket in Aus, again he would be lying but he could justfiy it by using that time to improve his game, whereas he did sod-all apart from prancing around on TV and let down his team mates in the process.

    And to be fair it would have been touch and go really if he was selected for the World cup being heavily-injury prone and what not.

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    alhtough he actually lost quite a bit of weight doing the SCD and that might help him this season
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    True good point there, he did talk about how fit he feels now many times but did he really have to go on a TV show for that? I mean i'm sure he could have got the same results without going on SCD.

    And to be fair while his fitness was a worry the major problem has been with him not pulling his weight in the wicket department and i can't see how SCD is going help him bowl a better inswinger.

    But then again he was always a man of determination and reinvention so maybe he'll prove everyone wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    No, I haven't, because I have respect for my employers.
    Well you're one of a very, very small minority, then, because almost everyone else has. I fail to see why Gough should be villified when virtually no-one else is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autobahn
    You can't get away from the fact that he didn't tell the truth. He took adavantage of the fact that the management has been very flexible on things to do with the family, not holding it against the players, and yet he goes off and appears on a TV show chasing after fame and fortune.
    Seriously - how on Earth can you criticise someone for chasing fame and fortune?
    I'm not trying to "get away" from that fact - I'm just pointing-out that it's not really the most heinous of sins, because virtually everyone has lied to their employers at some time or another about time-off.

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