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The England Thread
- Thread starter Barney Rubble
- Start date
Magrat Garlick
Global Moderator
Possibly.Richard said:
I haven't edited the post, however...which currently still links to the CT match. Most odd.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
For the record his last few ODI series:
Natwest challenge - ER 6.39 (next worst 5.63)
Natwest series - ER 5.37 (worst by an English bowler)
SA - ER 4.14 (the one anomaly)
Champions trophy - ER 4.80 (by an English bowler)
Natwest challenge - ER 4.44 (well, he did beat Alex Wharf...)
If he were taking wickets at a great rate then he might be excused such rubbish on an odd occasion...
Natwest challenge - ER 6.39 (next worst 5.63)
Natwest series - ER 5.37 (worst by an English bowler)
SA - ER 4.14 (the one anomaly)
Champions trophy - ER 4.80 (by an English bowler)
Natwest challenge - ER 4.44 (well, he did beat Alex Wharf...)
If he were taking wickets at a great rate then he might be excused such rubbish on an odd occasion...
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
He said that?marc71178 said:
Still doesn't make much difference to me even if he did - but for that matter how do we know he didn't want to spend time with his family, even if he did also want to appear on SCD (which is hardly the most heinous sin in The World).
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Except his 2004 figures pre-CT Final and Semi were pretty good.marc71178 said:
Of course, it's more convenient for you to use it in series...
More accurate would be:
7-29-1 - pretty decent
10-50-4 - bit expensive but OK in your terms because he took wickets
10-41-2 - pretty decent
6-19-0 - good
7-48-3 - poor
10-58-0 - poor
10-27-2 - excellent (last ball went for 6), even on a dewy pitch
10-49-1 - not great
9.1-46-2 - not good
10-53-3 - poor, but not as bad as the rest
9-14-2 - superb
10-47-1 - not great
10-41-0 - pretty good
9-70-3 - very poor
6.5-36-2 - poor
10-50-0 - poor, especially given that Collingwood got 10-34-4
6.2-43-1 - very poor
4-37-1 - poor and limited
So, really, it was only the last 2 in 2004 and the last 4 in 2005 that were especially dreadful - and they're outnumbered 11 to 6.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
If he wanted to spend time with his family, why did he start doing a program that meant he was going to be away from them for an extended time (equivalent to being in Pakistan in fact)Richard said:
He lied to the selectors, and no matter which way you try and dress it up, that is wrong.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
And you've never taken a day off work saying "I'm ill" because, for instance, you wanted to watch the cricket?
(Even if you haven't, countless millions of people have, for reasons such as)
I see little difference.
In any case - you still can't prove he didn't also want to spend time with his family. How much time did learning to dance a bit really take? I didn't watch the thing, but I can't believe it'd have been more than a few hours a day.
(Even if you haven't, countless millions of people have, for reasons such as)
I see little difference.
In any case - you still can't prove he didn't also want to spend time with his family. How much time did learning to dance a bit really take? I didn't watch the thing, but I can't believe it'd have been more than a few hours a day.
Autobahn
State 12th Man
You can't get away from the fact that he didn't tell the truth. He took adavantage of the fact that the management has been very flexible on things to do with the family, not holding it against the players, and yet he goes off and appears on a TV show chasing after fame and fortune.
I mean had he decided half-way through the winter he was bored and went off to play grade-cricket in Aus, again he would be lying but he could justfiy it by using that time to improve his game, whereas he did sod-all apart from prancing around on TV and let down his team mates in the process.
And to be fair it would have been touch and go really if he was selected for the World cup being heavily-injury prone and what not.
I mean had he decided half-way through the winter he was bored and went off to play grade-cricket in Aus, again he would be lying but he could justfiy it by using that time to improve his game, whereas he did sod-all apart from prancing around on TV and let down his team mates in the process.
And to be fair it would have been touch and go really if he was selected for the World cup being heavily-injury prone and what not.
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
alhtough he actually lost quite a bit of weight doing the SCD and that might help him this season
Autobahn
State 12th Man
True good point there, he did talk about how fit he feels now many times but did he really have to go on a TV show for that? I mean i'm sure he could have got the same results without going on SCD.
And to be fair while his fitness was a worry the major problem has been with him not pulling his weight in the wicket department and i can't see how SCD is going help him bowl a better inswinger.
But then again he was always a man of determination and reinvention so maybe he'll prove everyone wrong.
And to be fair while his fitness was a worry the major problem has been with him not pulling his weight in the wicket department and i can't see how SCD is going help him bowl a better inswinger.
But then again he was always a man of determination and reinvention so maybe he'll prove everyone wrong.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Seriously - how on Earth can you criticise someone for chasing fame and fortune?Autobahn said:
I'm not trying to "get away" from that fact - I'm just pointing-out that it's not really the most heinous of sins, because virtually everyone has lied to their employers at some time or another about time-off.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Rubbish, I'd be defending anyone if the situation was fit. It doesn't matter whatsoever whether Gough has lied, it doesn't make him a better or worse bowler.
The fact is, you are criticising someone for lying about why time is taken off - not how long that time was. This is the same however long the time is.
In any case - Gough has missed 5 ODIs. About the same as missing a day or 2 at work because you fancied a break or whatever.
The fact is, you are criticising someone for lying about why time is taken off - not how long that time was. This is the same however long the time is.
In any case - Gough has missed 5 ODIs. About the same as missing a day or 2 at work because you fancied a break or whatever.
Barney Rubble
International Coach
As if we didn't know this before we went 3-0 down to India, I'd just like to say that as far as the World Cup goes, we're screwed. 