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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Because of course Gough's lost so many ODIs, hasn't he...?
    Last 2 series - 10 wickets @ over 40 and going well over 5.5 an over.

    Then the disgraceful way he's ducked out of Pakistan before Xmas.

    He's lost it big time and should never play for England again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    You play too much ICC - his name's Jim IRL.
    I think you're right...he's played 60 odd Tests in my game with an average of 40...
    Rikki Clarke averages 50 with the bat and 30 with the ball domestically and can't hack it at Test level...
    Trescothick is the England wicketkeeper at 37...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
    I hardly see so - Gough actually bowled extremely well, just got hammered, as pretty much anyone will, when coming back later.
    Be much best if he'd not been brought back after his initial spell of 6-11-1.
    There's no gurantee England would've lost, and even if they did, Gough would only have been the prime culprit of a few.
    Not really, that game was lost by everyone combined, both batsmen and bowlers.
    Everyone bowled a heap of rubbish in that game, point being?
    It'd generally have been better if he'd missed that game - no-one was exactly good, but that was a shocker.
    And though he was England's best bowler in South Africa in terms of economy rate, that was highly inflated by bowling to someone who shouldn't have been in the team in the last ODI and a spell in clouds where Hoggard took 2-35 in the first, and he was for the most part doing just as poorly as everyone else.

    It's harder to look for the winning contributions he's made since the start of 2004...
    It'd be more accurate to say since 2000, but there's simply no two ways about the fact that Gough is a better ODI bowler than most, if not all bar Flintoff, others available.
    I've long said Gough didn't bowl as well in South Africa as some said, but there's no two ways about the fact he bowled exceptionally in the First and Sixth games.
    Gough was pretty poor latterly last summer, and had a few shockers at the end of the one before.
    That still doesn't change the fact that he's done better than most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Last 2 series - 10 wickets @ over 40 and going well over 5.5 an over.
    Which is, frankly, only 2 series (better described as 7 games, because it'd have been better to play Australia in 1 series). People have had poor series many times.
    Somehow I doubt you'd give the same crap to Harmison for being smashed all over the shop in Pakistan.
    Then the disgraceful way he's ducked out of Pakistan before Xmas.
    What the hell is so disgraceful about that? Players have "ducked" out of tours plenty of times.
    He's lost it big time and should never play for England again.
    So, it'd be better to let the current pie-chuckers keep being clattered?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/co...yer/21598.html


    And LOL - his name's "Jamie Oliver Troughton".
    You're not seriously suggesting a CricInfo Profile means anything?

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    Look, Richard. Gough is past it.

    ...and he's a dancing nancy boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    You're not seriously suggesting a CricInfo Profile means anything?
    Not really, I just like finding reasons to interpret myself as being right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steds
    Look, Richard. Gough is past it.

    ...and he's a dancing nancy boy.
    Gough may be past his best, but he's certainly not "past it", any more than Warne is in Tests.
    Gough is still probably the 2nd-best one-day bowler available for ODIs in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Somehow I doubt you'd give the same crap to Harmison for being smashed all over the shop in Pakistan.
    There's a difference between being the only one to be hammered, and the whole team.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    What the hell is so disgraceful about that? Players have "ducked" out of tours plenty of times.
    The lies, or are you going to deny them as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Gough may be past his best, but he's certainly not "past it", any more than Warne is in Tests.
    Equating him to Warne?

    Please share whatever it is you're smoking with the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
    I hardly see so - Gough actually bowled extremely well, just got hammered, as pretty much anyone will, when coming back later.
    Be much best if he'd not been brought back after his initial spell of 6-11-1.
    Initial spell of 6-11-1? *wonders how Cricinfo recorded it as 4-1-23-0...including five wides with the first two balls...*
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    There's a difference between being the only one to be hammered, and the whole team.
    Yes, there is - and Harmison has been hammered when others haven't, too.
    The lies, or are you going to deny them as well?
    Which lies, sorry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
    Initial spell of 6-11-1? *wonders how Cricinfo recorded it as 4-1-23-0...including five wides with the first two balls...*
    Was referring to the final NWS game in 2004 - don't know what you were referring to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Equating him to Warne?

    Please share whatever it is you're smoking with the rest of us.
    Equating him to Warne where, exactly?
    Where the blazes would I equate a wristspinner to a seamer?
    As usual, you're concocting nonsense out of nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Was referring to the final NWS game in 2004 - don't know what you were referring to...
    oh i see yes it was very confusing which match he was referring to, it's not as if he linked to the match scorecard or anything
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