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Assessing the Teams

steds

Hall of Fame Member
oz_fan said:
West Indies
Weaknesses
Leadership problems
Often when a big wicket goes (Lara, Gayle, etc) confidence is lost.
No really recognised bowlers
Not many big hitters down the list
Add "Selectors not knowing who their one quality spin bowler is"
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Dizzy #4 said:
*Easily the strongest team of the 5 qualifyers, with thier own set up domestic league producing new talent
Don't know about that mate Scotland, Ireland and Holland are all stronger then Canada with or without Davison. Ireland have a lot stronger batting line up then Canada and have more depth in bowling and really anything Davison can do with the bat Morgan and Ed Joyce can do better. Holland have a better all rounder in ten Doeschate as do Scotland in Dougie Brown and both have a lot more depth in batting and bowling. Davison is past it and hardly plays for Canada anymore, he didn't even play in the ICC Trophy or InterContinental Cup for them last year. Also all three have better domestic competition then Canada, producing county standard cricketers. They will be lucky to win a game.
 
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chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
I guess you haven't watched them over the past 12 months then, their developing some very good depth and have a lot more balanced side then they had in the past. No doubt their bowling isn't as good as it was with Lefebvre, but their batting has improved ten fold.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
oz_fan said:
England
Likely Team
Trescothic
Strauss
Vaughan
Pieterson
Collingwood
Flintoff
Geraint Jones
Giles
Hoggard
Harmison
Simon Jones

.
Pretty much the Test team there, which is what most English fans were calling for in their emails to Sky earlier. Alas, we'll probably end up with Solanki and Ali and Mahmood etc. The only one-day specialist in the England side I'm a fan of is Collingwood, but well, he's a test player now as well.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Chubb said:
Zimbabwe

Weaknesses
Inexperience
General lack of quality
Lack of specialist batsmen
Political situation means anything can happen between now and the World Cup
The batsmen get too aggressive and get themselves out
They don't really know how to work a ball around for singles, it's big shots or nothing
The bowlers leak runs and aren't penetrative
Their fielding is poor
They can't play swing
They can't play left-armers
They can't play high-quality spin
They can't play pace, with the exception of Duffin
They can't play any bowling except part-time dobbers
The coach is volatile and prone to making excitingly confrontational statements, which tend to backfire
Their running between the wickets can best be described as inept
Too many bits-and-pieces players
Team disharmony
Corruption
Racism
:laugh:
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
If Warne doesn`t play in the World Cup, I`d like to see

Gilchrist
Hayden (or Jaques)
Ponting
Hussey
Symonds
Clarke
Hogg
Lee
Bracken
Clark
McGrath

And I can`t see that team losing. Four excellent one-day seamers and some of the best ODI batsmen ever. Does look a little batting light though.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Nnanden said:
If Warne doesn`t play in the World Cup, I`d like to see

Gilchrist
Hayden (or Jaques)
Ponting
Hussey
Symonds
Clarke
Hogg
Lee
Bracken
Clark
McGrath

And I can`t see that team losing. Four excellent one-day seamers and some of the best ODI batsmen ever. Does look a little batting light though.
Clark and Bracken will have to compete for the 3rd seamer's role and another batsman needs to be brought in, either Martyn or Hodge or Watson or another prospect (which I don't know much about). Playing 5 specialist bowlers weakens the lineup significantly.
 

adharcric

International Coach
oz_fan said:
England
Likely Team
Trescothic
Strauss
Vaughan
Pieterson
Collingwood
Flintoff
Geraint Jones
Giles
Hoggard
Harmison
Simon Jones
Replace Hoggard with Anderson surely. Giles is questionable at the moment and I think Blackwell stands a better chance. Jones should be in the side but it remains to be seen if he can stay injury-free. Vaughan is also questionable, will likely be in the squad but if not, bring in Solanki or possibly Bell.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
adharcric said:
Giles is questionable at the moment and I think Blackwell stands a better chance.
Blackwell should only get in if Giles isn't fit, since Giles is a) a better batsman, b) a better bowler and c) a better fielder.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
adharcric said:
Clark and Bracken will have to compete for the 3rd seamer's role and another batsman needs to be brought in, either Martyn or Hodge or Watson or another prospect (which I don't know much about). Playing 5 specialist bowlers weakens the lineup significantly.
Hogg is considered an all-rounder. Lee just scored 60-something and 24* in the last Test. Bracken has scored 41 (I think?) in a Test Match. Clark is no mug. And then there`s Pidge. :D
 

adharcric

International Coach
Nnanden said:
Hogg is considered an all-rounder. Lee just scored 60-something and 24* in the last Test. Bracken has scored 41 (I think?) in a Test Match. Clark is no mug. And then there`s Pidge. :D
That's fine, it's not a long tail or anything but Australia will be better served going with another batsman because Symonds and Clarke are capable of doing the 5th-bowler duties quite well in ODIs.

India have a similar dilemma with Pathan at #7, with Sachin, Yuvraj, Sehwag and Raina as the part-time options as opposed to Symonds and Clarke. Australia doesn't really need 5, IMO.
 

Dizzy #4

International 12th Man
marc71178 said:
So the double he scored in the last 3 or 4 days doesn't count ? 8-)

When I said Allrounder, I meant in both ways, not just batting, although these days, an all rounder could be classified as a good batsman and fielder
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Ireland

J Bray
A Botha
E Morgan
E Joyce (D Joyce)
N O'Brien (wk)
P Gillespie
A White
T Johnston
D Langford-Smith
K McCallan (c)
P Mooney

Strengths:
- The 2nd best batsmen out of the minnows in Ed Joyce, with Ashraful being th best. But there are big question marks over whether he will play as he wants to play for England. The rules for playing for minnows then Test teams keep changing, so hopefully they change so he can play for Ireland if he doesn't make the England sqaud and still be able to play for England later.
- Have a very good middle order with three county batsmen in Morgan, E Joyce and O'Neill
- Bat down to ten with aussie born all rounder Landford-Smith signing up

Weakness:
- Bray and Botha/D Joyce aren't really a reilable opening combination
- With Trent Johnson not fully fit when it comes to bowling they don't really have a world class bowler
- Really too heavier on their on all rounder to make up their bowling attack

Chances: Have the potential to chase or set large total, due to their county based middle order and long batting line up. This factor gives them an outside chance to make the super eights and cause an upset. If they make the top eight they wont do much more.
 
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oz_fan

International Regular
New Zealand

Likely Team:
Vincent
Fleming
Astle
Styris
Marshall
McMillan
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Franklin/Mills
Bond

Strengths
Good chasing totals
One of the best ODI bowlers - Bond
Big Hitters - Styris, Vincent, Oram
Quality, economical spin option

Weaknesses
Not an overly stong seam attack if Bond is injured.
Fragile middle order
Sometimes struggle to make large totals when batting first
 
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Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Bit harsh, Franklin and the newer Mills are more than worthy pace back-ups. :)
 

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