West Indies Thread

[Pup Clarke]

My Windies 15 for the WC

1)Chris Gayle
2)Shivnarine Chanderpaul
3)Ramnaresh Sarwan
4)Brian Lara
5)Marlon Samuels
6)Dwayne Bravo
7)Dwayne Smith
8)Denesh Ramdin
9)Ian Bradshaw
10)Jerome Taylor
11)Daren Powell

12)Runako Morton
13)Fidel Edwards
14)Corey Collymore
15)Dave Mohammed/Kieron Pollard

 

[garage flower]

It's pathetic that Collins isn't in the probables. The selectors are worthless.

My ideal WC squad:

BC Lara (c)
RR Sarwan (vc)
D Ramdin (wk)
S Chanderpaul
DJJ Bravo
MN Samuels
KA Pollard
CH Gayle
DS Smith
JE Taylor
CD Collymore
IDR Bradshaw
D Mohammed
DB Powell
JJC Lawson

Possibly Dwayne Smith in for one of Powell or Lawson.

Wouldn't disagree too much with that. Some truly baffling selections (and omissions) in the provisional list, a number of whom can fairly safely be ignored (I hope!) in predicting the final 15.

Lawson isn't in the provisional list so presumably won't figure though - like you - I'd much prefer to see him or Pedro "Wasim" Collins than Edwards or Emrit. As I think you've mentioned in one of the threads, it seems very strange that Emrit has been given a shot ahoead of someone like Kelly.

I'd definitely have Dwayne Smith for his bowling, fielding and potential late order slogging (in that order), but not sure Devon's done quite enough. He's specialized in making starts and not going on throughout his international, list a and - latterly - first class career and may only sneak in by dint of the lack of alternatives. Morton, I think, must have batted his way out of contention, but what about Deonarine as more of a batting all-rounder?

On the bowling side Sammy was very unlucky not to get the chance to stake his claim in India. I wonder if they'll gamble on him now. Powell will probably get the nod, particularly if they're not prepared to look outside the 30, but I'd then stick to 4 specialist seamers, supplemented by Smith and Sammy, rather than going for another 1-dimensional and erratic performer in Edwards. That would also leave room for Mohammed (though it appears the selectors are still reluctant to pick a specialist spinner) in the following squad:

BC Lara (c)
RR Sarwan (vc)
D Ramdin (wk)
S Chanderpaul
DJJ Bravo
MN Samuels
KA Pollard
CH Gayle
N Deonarine
D Sammy
JE Taylor
CD Collymore
IDR Bradshaw
D Mohammed
DB Powell

Liam Sebastien is another spin bowling all-rounder who appears to be performing well in a poor side. I seem to remember he came into the senior game with a hot reputation. Seen anything of him MR M?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

not sure Devon's done quite enough.

He only scored 14 and 33 IIRC in India, but he looked so good doing so, then was run out and got a good ball. I'd trust him to score runs ahead of Morton these days. I'd also say he's done more than flattered to deceive in FC cricket, seeing as his average is nigh on 40 - unheard of almost by WI batsmen - and he has 12 hundreds and 27 fifties in 75 games, which is pretty good for a West Indian also. Keep in mind too that he plays in a team whose second-best batsman is Junior Murray.

what about Deonarine as more of a batting all-rounder?

Not sure the West Indies would take that kind of risk, and I'm not sure they'd want another batting spinner, as they have Gayle and Samuels in there already.

On the bowling side Sammy was very unlucky not to get the chance to stake his claim in India. I wonder if they'll gamble on him now.

I'd be very surprised if they do. He hasn't been close to the team for a really long time now. I doubt he'd leapfrog other options.

That would also leave room for Mohammed (though it appears the selectors are still reluctant to pick a specialist spinner)

Unsurprisingly, they're on course to ruin another promising spinner. For all people may say about him in Tests, Mohammed hasn't done much wrong in ODIs.

Liam Sebastien is another spin bowling all-rounder who appears to be performing well in a poor side. I seem to remember he came into the senior game with a hot reputation. Seen anything of him MR M?

He's a useful bat, but there are many who are better. And I don't rate his bowling as anything special. I rate Samuels' bowling much higher.

 

[pacespinner]

This is my WC prediction for beloved WI:

S Chanderpaul
CH Gayle
DS Smith
BC Lara
MN Samuels
LMP Simmons
D Ramdin
DR Smith
RR Emrit
IDR Bradshaw
DB Powell
CD Collymore
R Powell (If he is around)

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

This is my WC prediction for beloved WI:

S Chanderpaul
CH Gayle
DS Smith
BC Lara
MN Samuels
LMP Simmons
D Ramdin
DR Smith
RR Emrit
IDR Bradshaw
DB Powell
CD Collymore
R Powell (If he is around)

How in the world would Ramnaresh Sarwan miss out on the World Cup? How in the world would Ricardo Powell make it to the World Cup? Why the hell would or should they pick Emrit? And what has Simmons done to be selected? Have you ever heard of a man named Bravo? Jerome Taylor anyone?

This is the worst squad ever picked of all time...ever. You've lost the privilege of me trusting any of your opinions ever.

 

[pacespinner]

How in the world would Ramnaresh Sarwan miss out on the World Cup? How in the world would Ricardo Powell make it to the World Cup? Why the hell would or should they pick Emrit? And what has Simmons done to be selected? Have you ever heard of a man named Bravo? Jerome Taylor anyone?

This is the worst squad ever picked of all time...ever. You've lost the privilege of me trusting any of your opinions ever.

HAHAHAHAH u are funny...

but that is my personal feeling. I like Ricardo Powell, so I was hoping he would return back, not necessiry that these people will be selected. But I would like to see them play for WI.

 

[Prince EWS]

How in the world would Ramnaresh Sarwan miss out on the World Cup? How in the world would Ricardo Powell make it to the World Cup? Why the hell would or should they pick Emrit? And what has Simmons done to be selected? Have you ever heard of a man named Bravo? Jerome Taylor anyone?

This is the worst squad ever picked of all time...ever. You've lost the privilege of me trusting any of your opinions ever.

Haha, the squad was dire, but you're getting a bit fired up about it I feel. As coach Sowers would say, "Take a salt tablet."

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Haha, the squad was dire, but you're getting a bit fired up about it I feel. As coach Sowers would say, "Take a salt tablet."

It's blatantly obvious that I went intentionally OTT. Wasn't it?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

HAHAHAHAH u are funny...

but that is my personal feeling. I like Ricardo Powell, so I was hoping he would return back, not necessiry that these people will be selected. But I would like to see them play for WI.

You can't be a fan of the West Indies if you want Powell back in. Powell is dire.
And it's inexcusable to exclude Sarwan, Taylor and Bravo in a West Indies WC squad.

 

[pacespinner]

I only like couple of people from WI, viz B Lara,C Gayle, R.Powell and Chanderpaul, that's it, the rest I feel is whack...I don't care who says what, they are not winning WC for sure.

 

[Pup Clarke]

I only like couple of people from WI, viz B Lara,C Gayle, R.Powell and Chanderpaul, that's it, the rest I feel is whack...I don't care who says what, they are not winning WC for sure.

Ridiculous.....no Taylor,Sarwan or Bravo .Have you watched a Windies game in the last 6 months

 

[pacespinner]

Say thanks to youtube.com, I have watched it million a times.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Say thanks to youtube.com, I have watched it million a times.

That explains it then. You've only watched one game.

Get educated.

 

[pacespinner]

yeah, i used to get my science notes from that web site too. But seems like, you don't know what that web site is all about.

...mmmm there are more than one video there...heloooooo.....may be you should surf more, who knows you might get what you lack... visually...

 

[Pup Clarke]

yeah, i used to get my science notes from that web site too. But seems like, you don't know what that web site is all about.

...mmmm there are more than one video there...heloooooo.....may be you should surf more, who knows you might get what you lack... visually...

 

[roseboy64]

It was a poor sqaud though. Much as I Iike Powell myself. I don't want him near a WI team for now.

 

[pacespinner]

I think you guys are right, u know what I am man enough to accept my mistake, may be he is not as good as I thought he was and plus, he has been out of the international game for so long that perhaps his hands have rust in 'em. Anyways, too bad and now I don't feel that he is coming back.. So long, Powell... there were good wishes one time!!!!...so long friend....

 

[garage flower]

He only scored 14 and 33 IIRC in India, but he looked so good doing so, then was run out and got a good ball. I'd trust him to score runs ahead of Morton these days. I'd also say he's done more than flattered to deceive in FC cricket, seeing as his average is nigh on 40 - unheard of almost by WI batsmen - and he has 12 hundreds and 27 fifties in 75 games, which is pretty good for a West Indian also. Keep in mind too that he plays in a team whose second-best batsman is Junior Murray.

Devon has a poor domestic 1-day record though (1 ton and 4 fifties in 51 games, with a mid-twenties average), which is perhaps more relevant. And yes, "flattered to deceive" would be a harsh description, though I think he's been less consistent in the last couple of first class seasons.

You're probably right where Sammy's concerned, but I still think that 5 specialist seamers who - by and large - are rabbits with the bat and poor or mediocre in the field is one too many. Going back to the debate earlier in the thread, it's a shame and a surprise that Kelly hasn't been looked at as he might fit the bill.

 

[garage flower]

Anyways, too bad and now I don't feel that he is coming back.. So long, Powell... there were good wishes one time!!!!...so long friend....

Not sure Ricardo did much to justify such a fond farewell, though I do remember that fantastic late over assault - with Sarwan - on Pollock et al in the last World Cup. Highlight was Sarwan waltzing down the wicket to pull/hook Pollock for 6 over mid-wicket! Possibly my all-time favourite ODI.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Devon has a poor domestic 1-day record though (1 ton and 4 fifties in 51 games, with a mid-twenties average), which is perhaps more relevant. And yes, "flattered to deceive" would be a harsh description, though I think he's been less consistent in the last couple of first class seasons.

You're probably right where Sammy's concerned, but I still think that 5 specialist seamers who - by and large - are rabbits with the bat and poor or mediocre in the field is one too many. Going back to the debate earlier in the thread, it's a shame and a surprise that Kelly hasn't been looked at as he might fit the bill.

Surely you've overlooked Ian Bradshaw in your 5 specialist seamers then. AFAIC, you pick your best bowlers when picking specialist bowlers. Batting shouldn't tip a mediocre bowler over a good bowler. I'm not convinced by Sammy's bowling as yet.

Also keep in mind that the West Indies have a tendency to play 2 specialist seamers at a time these days.