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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Indeed. Not sure what the justification of batting Oram ahead of Vettori is, let alone ahead of McCullum.

    Granted, there's really not much between them.
    Oram since the Natwest Series in 2004:
    207 runs @ 23.00

    McCullum since NWS 2004:
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    Vettori since NWS 2004:
    320 @ 21.33
    You'll find it hard to convince a Kiwi fan that Vettori should bat ahead of McCullum and Oram.

    Vettori will move up the order in time but he isn't as good with the bat as Oram or McCullum. Statistics lie

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    I'd certainly prefer Oram in with 25 overs to bat than Vettori. Luca's unorthodoxy is his strength and his weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    Luca's unorthodoxy is his strength and his weakness.
    Sure would make him an interseting pinch hitter in ODI's
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    But is Oram's batting in ODI worthy of a spot?
    I think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirjeremy11
    Sure would make him an interseting pinch hitter in ODI's
    Vincent does that job well enough thought doesn't he?

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    mccullum would be better
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    I find the McCullum thing very hard to make a decision on. He is an absolute specialist at cameos. Can hit a nice 30 or so - sometimes higher.

    But would he be able to step up and take a more responsible role? He could certainly maitain a good strike rate.

    But would he be wasted up the order?
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    In my humble opinion

    I think this team should play in the world cup.

    Jesse Ryder
    Nathan Astle
    Ross Taylor
    Stephen Fleming
    Lou Vincent
    Jacob Oram
    Brendon McCullum
    Daniel Vettori
    James Franklin
    Shane Bond (if he is fit)
    Ian Butler (If he is fit)
    Everyone is in their proper place with Ryder and Astle, 2 one day opening batsmen actually opening. (Rather than some middle order guy who drew the short straw). Taylor at 3 where he bats for CD. Fleming and Vincent in their middle order spots and the lower order pretty much picks itself. Butler and Bond give 2 genuine quick bowlers, and Ryder Astle, Taylor can chip in with the ball around the allrounders. Styris wouldnt even get a look in. I dont know how he holds his place.
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    lol Ryder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt52
    I think this team should play in the world cup.

    Jesse Ryder
    Nathan Astle
    Ross Taylor
    Stephen Fleming
    Lou Vincent
    Jacob Oram
    Brendon McCullum
    Daniel Vettori
    James Franklin
    Shane Bond (if he is fit)
    Ian Butler (If he is fit)
    Everyone is in their proper place with Ryder and Astle, 2 one day opening batsmen actually opening. (Rather than some middle order guy who drew the short straw). Taylor at 3 where he bats for CD. Fleming and Vincent in their middle order spots and the lower order pretty much picks itself. Butler and Bond give 2 genuine quick bowlers, and Ryder Astle, Taylor can chip in with the ball around the allrounders. Styris wouldnt even get a look in. I dont know how he holds his place.

    I'm not sure what the chances are on Ryder making the WC squad, but if we played tomorrow I wouldn't have that squad. Vincent has been going great guns opening with Astle (although recently How has had that job).

    I wouldn't have Franklin playing, unless someone like Oram was injured. Then I'd expect his batting to step up but I'm not sure if he can do that..
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    I am a bit dim sometimes so can you explain ......"lol"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt52
    I am a bit dim sometimes so can you explain ......"lol"?
    laugh out loud.

    Ryder has a very poor One Day record. I think he averages less than 25 in the shorter form of the game. I don't think he is a One Day prospect at this stage of his career. His chance will come after the World Cup, not before it.
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    Kyle Mills is a dead cert by the way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender
    I'm not sure what the chances are on Ryder making the WC squad, but if we played tomorrow I wouldn't have that squad. Vincent has been going great guns opening with Astle (although recently How has had that job).

    I wouldn't have Franklin playing, unless someone like Oram was injured. Then I'd expect his batting to step up but I'm not sure if he can do that..
    Maybe you are right. I am a fan of Vincent as well. Ryder is maybe a bit raw at the moment but you could stick him in on potential alone and give him a season before the world cup to gain a little experience. Vincent could open for the time being though. Think Vincent is a great player and has been treated like crap by the selctors. How he got dropped instead of Styris blew me away. I looked on Cricinfo and since Lou came back into the side two years ago he has averaged 49 in tests, and 38 in one dayers. Over that same 2 year period Styris averaged 30 in tests and 30 in one dayers. Lou gets you almost 40 more runs per test (2 innings), and 8 more runs per one dayer yet is dropped.
    Last edited by Matt52; 31-05-2006 at 01:45 AM.
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    That's a very inexperienced team you've posted. I'm not saying that I don't want any bolters for our squad, because I like the look of Taylor in particular, but I wouldn't be very confident with several inexperienced guys like Ryder, Butler and Taylor in the playing XI.

    And I'd be very surprised if Bracewell took anything other than a conservative approach to selection.
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