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New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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Blaze
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It just underlines your lack of a cricketing brain if you think Oram is not a good enough batsman to justify selection as an all rounder in the NZ side.marc71178 said:
His average is always improving. For example, in his last 10 games he averages 27 with the bat which is fine for an all rounder batting at 8.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Ease up Matt. I agree with what Marc is saying. He's stating simply that although Oram is a quality BATSMAN in Test cricket, he's hardly shown that he is anywhere near as effective in ODI cricket. Marc never questioned his bowling or his allround ability. He questioned his batting. The same was done by Lara with regards to Dwayne Bravo.Blaze said:
When both show that they can bat in ODI cricket, surely then the opinions will change. Until then, Marc's comments are justified in my mind.
Prince EWS
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Probably not, but I think his bowling is better than the likes of Adams, Franklin, Martin and Mason anyway.marc71178 said:
He'd make the side as a bowler with batting potential.
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Considering you have three bowlers making up twenty overs, you still have room for someone to be hit out of the attack.
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Oram having nosebleeds at #6 in an ODI...NZTailender said:Nice, but if I may
Vincent
Astle
Fleming
Fulton
Styris
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Mills
Bond
Mason
Patel
How
Marshall
Taylor
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Indeed. Not sure what the justification of batting Oram ahead of Vettori is, let alone ahead of McCullum.Prince EWS said:
Granted, there's really not much between them.
Oram since the Natwest Series in 2004:
207 runs @ 23.00
McCullum since NWS 2004:
503 @ 23.95
Vettori since NWS 2004:
320 @ 21.33
James
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I would agree with you to some agree, but he hasn't really had the chances in ODIs because of where he's batting.marc71178 said:
He has the ability to be our next "Chris Cairns", so he'll definately make the side. Especially as his bowling is continuing to improve.
I would like to see this side for the world cup with Styris, Astle and Taylor making up 10 overs between them. On what will be slow West Indian wickets I think they'll do the job fine, and that makes our batting extremely strong.
Vincent
Fleming
Astle
Fulton
Styris
Taylor
McCullum
Oram
Vettori
Mills
Bond
sirjeremy11
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Sure would make him an interseting pinch hitter in ODI'sVoltman said:
sirjeremy11
State Vice-Captain
I find the McCullum thing very hard to make a decision on. He is an absolute specialist at cameos. Can hit a nice 30 or so - sometimes higher.
But would he be able to step up and take a more responsible role? He could certainly maitain a good strike rate.
But would he be wasted up the order?
But would he be able to step up and take a more responsible role? He could certainly maitain a good strike rate.
But would he be wasted up the order?
Matt52
U19 Vice-Captain
In my humble opinion
I think this team should play in the world cup.
Jesse Ryder
Nathan Astle
Ross Taylor
Stephen Fleming
Lou Vincent
Jacob Oram
Brendon McCullum
Daniel Vettori
James Franklin
Shane Bond (if he is fit)
Ian Butler (If he is fit)
Everyone is in their proper place with Ryder and Astle, 2 one day opening batsmen actually opening. (Rather than some middle order guy who drew the short straw). Taylor at 3 where he bats for CD. Fleming and Vincent in their middle order spots and the lower order pretty much picks itself. Butler and Bond give 2 genuine quick bowlers, and Ryder Astle, Taylor can chip in with the ball around the allrounders. Styris wouldnt even get a look in. I dont know how he holds his place.
I think this team should play in the world cup.
Jesse Ryder
Nathan Astle
Ross Taylor
Stephen Fleming
Lou Vincent
Jacob Oram
Brendon McCullum
Daniel Vettori
James Franklin
Shane Bond (if he is fit)
Ian Butler (If he is fit)
Everyone is in their proper place with Ryder and Astle, 2 one day opening batsmen actually opening. (Rather than some middle order guy who drew the short straw). Taylor at 3 where he bats for CD. Fleming and Vincent in their middle order spots and the lower order pretty much picks itself. Butler and Bond give 2 genuine quick bowlers, and Ryder Astle, Taylor can chip in with the ball around the allrounders. Styris wouldnt even get a look in. I dont know how he holds his place.
NZTailender
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Matt52 said:
I'm not sure what the chances are on Ryder making the WC squad, but if we played tomorrow I wouldn't have that squad. Vincent has been going great guns opening with Astle (although recently How has had that job).
I wouldn't have Franklin playing, unless someone like Oram was injured. Then I'd expect his batting to step up but I'm not sure if he can do that..