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    Taylor has to be in the starting XI...He is the man.

    Speculating now is kind of pointless though, particuarly as we have the VB series before the World Cup which will basically be a world cup trial for the fringe players.

    Tuffey might come back into the picture if he is fit in time for the VB series and does well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    Speculating now is kind of pointless though, particuarly as we have the VB series before the World Cup which will basically be a world cup trial for the fringe players.
    Yay! Hopefully they might have some more "experimentation" next year. What fun!
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    With us playing England in the VB Series, and then England being in the same group as us in the World Cup, I hope we don't give England too much of a look at Shane Bond and Daniel Vettori.

    Should be one of the best VB Series in many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James
    Should be one of the best VB Series in many years.
    I'd personally love to see a four way VB series - Pakistan, Australia, NZ, India

    Oh yeah.
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    I agree, Riss Taylor has to be in there at #3 to take advantage of the PP overs. Either him or McCullum needs to be in the top 3.

    I think we can rely on Styris and Astle to make up 10 overs as the 5th bowler easily, and Oram has come back well so far in this Test match bowling tight lines. I think he will be able to occupy the role of 3rd seamer and his full 10 overs.
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    But is Oram's batting in ODI worthy of a spot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    But is Oram's batting in ODI worthy of a spot?
    What? Just because he has a poor ODI record doesn't mean he isn't a good player. He hasn't had many opportunites in the past to bat for long periods of time.

    Look at his Test record if you want to see how good he can be with the bat.
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    I know he has a good Test record, but the 2 forms are not completely equivalent and sorry if questioning an average of under 19 from 62 innings as not being up to scratch.

    It clearly is a superb effort and I should never have doubted him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    I know he has a good Test record, but the 2 forms are not completely equivalent and sorry if questioning an average of under 19 from 62 innings as not being up to scratch.

    It clearly is a superb effort and I should never have doubted him.
    It just underlines your lack of a cricketing brain if you think Oram is not a good enough batsman to justify selection as an all rounder in the NZ side.

    His average is always improving. For example, in his last 10 games he averages 27 with the bat which is fine for an all rounder batting at 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    It just underlines your lack of a cricketing brain if you think Oram is not a good enough batsman to justify selection as an all rounder in the NZ side.

    His average is always improving. For example, in his last 10 games he averages 27 with the bat which is fine for an all rounder batting at 8.
    Ease up Matt. I agree with what Marc is saying. He's stating simply that although Oram is a quality BATSMAN in Test cricket, he's hardly shown that he is anywhere near as effective in ODI cricket. Marc never questioned his bowling or his allround ability. He questioned his batting. The same was done by Lara with regards to Dwayne Bravo.

    When both show that they can bat in ODI cricket, surely then the opinions will change. Until then, Marc's comments are justified in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    But is Oram's batting in ODI worthy of a spot?
    Probably not, but I think his bowling is better than the likes of Adams, Franklin, Martin and Mason anyway.

    He'd make the side as a bowler with batting potential.
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    That's fine, but what if one of those guys gets hit out of the attack? Who do we turn to then?
    Considering you have three bowlers making up twenty overs, you still have room for someone to be hit out of the attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender
    Nice, but if I may

    Vincent
    Astle
    Fleming
    Fulton
    Styris
    Oram
    McCullum
    Vettori
    Mills
    Bond
    Mason

    Patel
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    Taylor
    Oram having nosebleeds at #6 in an ODI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS
    Oram having nosebleeds at #6 in an ODI...
    Indeed. Not sure what the justification of batting Oram ahead of Vettori is, let alone ahead of McCullum.

    Granted, there's really not much between them.
    Oram since the Natwest Series in 2004:
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    McCullum since NWS 2004:
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    Vettori since NWS 2004:
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    But is Oram's batting in ODI worthy of a spot?
    I would agree with you to some agree, but he hasn't really had the chances in ODIs because of where he's batting.

    He has the ability to be our next "Chris Cairns", so he'll definately make the side. Especially as his bowling is continuing to improve.

    I would like to see this side for the world cup with Styris, Astle and Taylor making up 10 overs between them. On what will be slow West Indian wickets I think they'll do the job fine, and that makes our batting extremely strong.

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    Taylor
    McCullum
    Oram
    Vettori
    Mills
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