*Official* Semis and Final Thread - Page 4

marc71178 · 20-03-2003, 03:23 PM

The one thing I think England cantake out of this is that we only lost 2 games, one of them mightily closely, but the teams we lost to are now contesting the final.

Looking at it that way, we didn't have THAT bad a WC!

Neil Pickup · 20-03-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by aussie_beater
And on top of it all, the match is being played in Wanderers which is the fastest wicket in all of SA.

It should be a fascinating match.

Which is what puts the Aussies as favourites for me. At Port Elizabeth, it would be different.

That, and Gilchrist and Hayden are both due, and they've got five specialist bowlers.

Anil · 20-03-2003, 03:54 PM

60-40 in favour of Australia right now IMO......

Mr Mxyzptlk · 20-03-2003, 05:08 PM

I think India want the World Cup more than Australia do. It's sort of like the Lakers/Kings....

krkode · 20-03-2003, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
I think India want the World Cup more than Australia do. It's sort of like the Lakers/Kings....

I guess that's a valid statement.

Aus have got 2, Ind have only 1. Aus got the last one, so a majority of the players on the current team have experienced what it's like to win a world cup, but none of the Indians on this team have never even been to the final... :wow:

Mr Mxyzptlk · 20-03-2003, 05:26 PM

Two other factors which may assist India:

1/Australia have gotten into a habbit of winning and winning comfortably. India on the other hand have had to work hard for their wins which have become rather plentiful as a result. As such, I think India will approach the final in a better way.
2/Thirst for something called REVENGE!!!!!!

A loss by 9 wickets is a big margin...

krkode · 20-03-2003, 05:29 PM

Well the aussies have had a couple of close games too, and they've come through good, but I tend to agree with you...revenge may play a part :P

Eclipse · 20-03-2003, 11:48 PM

Well I dont agree with any of that revenge crap India will want it sure they will want to prove to Australia they are not just another international team that they can dominate.

However it's going to have no impact on Australia what so ever and realisticly it's not going to make Australia play worse and If India need revenge to get them up for a world cup final then they realy must be hard to motivate.

Also an interesting stat about the batting of the two teams

Australia's top six avrage 42.76 with the bat as a collective avrage compaired to India 41.21 but Australia's botom five avrage 27 to India 14.

Gotchya · 21-03-2003, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by marc71178
The one thing I think England cantake out of this is that we only lost 2 games, one of them mightily closely, but the teams we lost to are now contesting the final.

Looking at it that way, we didn't have THAT bad a WC!

Catching on marc ? with the clutching at straws ?

Gotchya · 21-03-2003, 12:16 AM

Well, for me experience will be the telling factor in this final.

India have no players that have played a Final, they have played big matches, but a World Cup final is a very very different proposition. Against a team that thrives in pressure and big match tension. Still, India have a lot of match experience, I expect Tendulkar to be unfazed by all off it, as with Mcgrath, but Kaif, Yuvraj, Mongia, Zaheer, Nehra and Sehwag, thats more than half of the Indian team who are likely to feel the pressure.

As always, who ever handles the nerves will pull through

masterblaster · 21-03-2003, 12:44 AM

Well Gotchya what about Australia's inexperience?

Symonds, Harvey, Brett Lee, Andy Bichel, Brad Hogg, also have never ever played in a World Cup Final.

Thats half of their team as well. I agree with you though that who ever handles it well succeed.

It should be a cracker!

marc71178 · 21-03-2003, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by anilramavarma
60-40 in favour of Australia right now IMO......

I'd go more 80-20 I'm afraid. India have played well, but Australia are still Australia!

marc71178 · 21-03-2003, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by Gotchya
Catching on marc ? with the clutching at straws ?

It's an honest assessment - England's WC was not that bad, and to be honest, I think that had they made the SS, then they would've made the semis at least.

Anil · 21-03-2003, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by marc71178
I'd go more 80-20 I'm afraid. India have played well, but Australia are still Australia!

I would have gone 90-10(or even 95-5) for their next meeting immediately after the thrashing they received in the group match. Since then, however, both teams have played 8 matches and both have won all 8. On the way, India have had several confidence-boosting victories against tough opposition and are not likely to fold up like that anymore. That's why I upped India's odds to 40% which I think is a fair jump in that it acknowledges both the significant improvements that India have achieved along with the clear edge that the Aussies go in with.

Rik · 21-03-2003, 10:09 AM

Hey Anil, you know there's a tribute thread in your honour in the Off Topic section?

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20-03-2003, 05:26 PM	#51 (permalink)
Mr Mxyzptlk Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Trinidad and Tobago (Trinidad) Posts: 36,795	Two other factors which may assist India: 1/Australia have gotten into a habbit of winning and winning comfortably. India on the other hand have had to work hard for their wins which have become rather plentiful as a result. As such, I think India will approach the final in a better way. 2/Thirst for something called REVENGE!!!!!! A loss by 9 wickets is a big margin...

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krkode State Captain Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,781	Well the aussies have had a couple of close games too, and they've come through good, but I tend to agree with you...revenge may play a part :P

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Eclipse International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nere a Spoon Posts: 2,873	Well I dont agree with any of that revenge crap India will want it sure they will want to prove to Australia they are not just another international team that they can dominate. However it's going to have no impact on Australia what so ever and realisticly it's not going to make Australia play worse and If India need revenge to get them up for a world cup final then they realy must be hard to motivate. Also an interesting stat about the batting of the two teams Australia's top six avrage 42.76 with the bat as a collective avrage compaired to India 41.21 but Australia's botom five avrage 27 to India 14.

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Gotchya State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lahore, Pakistan Posts: 1,399	Well, for me experience will be the telling factor in this final. India have no players that have played a Final, they have played big matches, but a World Cup final is a very very different proposition. Against a team that thrives in pressure and big match tension. Still, India have a lot of match experience, I expect Tendulkar to be unfazed by all off it, as with Mcgrath, but Kaif, Yuvraj, Mongia, Zaheer, Nehra and Sehwag, thats more than half of the Indian team who are likely to feel the pressure. As always, who ever handles the nerves will pull through

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