Kenya in the SS

krkode · 02-03-2003, 10:08 AM

Now, I might not necessarily feel this emotion considering the fact that my team has already made it into the super six, but don't you think NZ's not playing Kenya has now caused some other very deserving teams to not make it through? Is that bad?

Rich2001 · 02-03-2003, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by krkode
Now, I might not necessarily feel this emotion considering the fact that my team has already made it into the super six, but don't you think NZ's not playing Kenya has now caused some other very deserving teams to not make it through? Is that bad?

Ok I understand what your saying, but surley if they are that deserving of a place they would have grabed a spot themselves... I mean why should teams have to relay on others to help them.. I mean SA haven't helped themselves by losing to both WI and NZ and WI haven't helped themselves by losing to NZ and SL (ok the rain v Bangladesh was unlucky) But if they can't win themsleves why should they be that deserving of a place.. Ok Kenya were handed one game, but the other wins they worked hard for to achieve.

Oh and good luck to Pakistan tommorow in helping England out :saint:

Kiwi · 02-03-2003, 10:55 AM

I don't think it is bad but I think that everyone in the SS should have a chance of winning the world cup and I don't really think that Kenya do.

NZ had every right to refuse to play Kenya. They have just made it hard for themselves and hard for the other teams like SA, WI and SL.

If you take say 4 points from Kenya then they wouldn't have made it but they have and you can not take that away from them. They have certainly proved that they are better than the test playing nation of BANG.

Simon · 02-03-2003, 06:21 PM

ive said it ocne and ill say it again, any team that make the super 6 stage deserves to be there. They have ebaten every team put in front of them bar 1. in my mind they are deserving of being there.

krkode · 02-03-2003, 07:19 PM

I agree with you guys. Cricket may be about skill and talent, but it's also about luck. WI get a rained out match - very unlucky, but maybe they just weren't meant to make it to the next stage.

Same for all the other teams that won't make it.

Kenya got through with a free ticket win vs. NZ, one that would've been very hard to win, but now that it's done, I guess that's it. Somebody doesn't make it, Kenya does.

A very impressive performance by the Kenyan team, indeed. :wow:

Tim · 02-03-2003, 08:20 PM

I'd give NZ a better chance of winning the World Cup than Kenya, but at the end of the day it was NZ who made the call to not go to Kenya so they should be willing to accept that this could have been one of the possible outcomes.

I wouldn't really care if NZ were playing badly, but in the last 2 weeks they've really looked good & it will be a big shame if they bow out at the prelims.

Andre · 02-03-2003, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Tamara
I don't think it is bad but I think that everyone in the SS should have a chance of winning the world cup and I don't really think that Kenya do.

Pretty silly statement that. It's fair to say only 2 or 3 teams, 4 at the most have a chance of winning the World Cup. There is no way six sides have the chance to do that.

Bazza · 03-03-2003, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by Rich2001
Ok Kenya were handed one game, but the other wins they worked hard for to achieve.

All 1 of them.

Andre - I would like to think England are good enough to win. Others probably disagree, but although we didn't actually manage it in the end, we showed yesterday we can beat Australia, and if you can beat the best you can beat anyone. Anyway Australia are definitely good enough to win it, so are India and SA. SL have played very well, and I think NZ and WI have the ability too. That's 6/7 teams. Kenya do not.

marc71178 · 03-03-2003, 07:53 AM

Well I think we should credit Kenya - they have played well and are in the Super Six.

Who's to say that they wouldn't have beaten NZ? We won't know, but to say that they've only qualified because of the forfeit is harsh on them.

Bazza · 03-03-2003, 08:20 AM

Harsh but fair my friend.

Paid The Umpire · 04-03-2003, 02:22 AM

They should have gotten in on there victory over Sri Lanka

luckyeddie · 04-03-2003, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by Bazza
All 1 of them.

Andre - I would like to think England are good enough to win. Others probably disagree, but although we didn't actually manage it in the end, we showed yesterday we can beat Australia, and if you can beat the best you can beat anyone. Anyway Australia are definitely good enough to win it, so are India and SA. SL have played very well, and I think NZ and WI have the ability too. That's 6/7 teams. Kenya do not.

England demonstrated that they can beat Australia? Au contraire, it demonstrated that without a serious change of attitude and a good dose of self-belief that this England team cannot beat Australia but will continue to 'bottle it' when they have a chance.

I do find myself agreeing with you (there's a first) regarding the lack of ability that Kenya have to actually go on and win the tournament, but to infer that they devalue the tournament by actually being in the SS is similar to that argument a couple of years ago that the English FA Cup wasn't worth willing that year because scumch sorry Manchester United hadn't entered it.

Even if West Indies hammer Kenya today (which I expect they will), it changes nothing.

Gotchya · 04-03-2003, 02:50 AM

I agree that South Africa should have won their own games, but still on face value how does it look like ?

Kenya in the Super sixes, MAYBE Zimbabwe in their, indicates a troubled tournament, and quite a few surprises as well. Its cricket, you have to be at your best everyday or else the others steal away your cake.

Its not fair to say that Kenya shouldn't be in the Super sixes, It may not look healthy but cricket is by chance......

luckyeddie · 04-03-2003, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Gotchya
Its not fair to say that Kenya shouldn't be in the Super sixes, It may not look healthy but cricket is by chance......

For all we know, they might turn out to be another Sri Lanka in 10 years time or so.

Gotchya · 04-03-2003, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by luckyeddie
For all we know, they might turn out to be another Sri Lanka in 10 years time or so.

Precisely...

02-03-2003, 10:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
krkode State Captain Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,781	Kenya in the SS Now, I might not necessarily feel this emotion considering the fact that my team has already made it into the super six, but don't you think NZ's not playing Kenya has now caused some other very deserving teams to not make it through? Is that bad?

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marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	Well I think we should credit Kenya - they have played well and are in the Super Six. Who's to say that they wouldn't have beaten NZ? We won't know, but to say that they've only qualified because of the forfeit is harsh on them. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

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Gotchya State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lahore, Pakistan Posts: 1,399	I agree that South Africa should have won their own games, but still on face value how does it look like ? Kenya in the Super sixes, MAYBE Zimbabwe in their, indicates a troubled tournament, and quite a few surprises as well. Its cricket, you have to be at your best everyday or else the others steal away your cake. Its not fair to say that Kenya shouldn't be in the Super sixes, It may not look healthy but cricket is by chance...... __________________ Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box

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02-03-2003, 10:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kiwi State Vice-Captain Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,079	I don't think it is bad but I think that everyone in the SS should have a chance of winning the world cup and I don't really think that Kenya do. NZ had every right to refuse to play Kenya. They have just made it hard for themselves and hard for the other teams like SA, WI and SL. If you take say 4 points from Kenya then they wouldn't have made it but they have and you can not take that away from them. They have certainly proved that they are better than the test playing nation of BANG.

02-03-2003, 06:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Simon Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canberra Posts: 25,596	ive said it ocne and ill say it again, any team that make the super 6 stage deserves to be there. They have ebaten every team put in front of them bar 1. in my mind they are deserving of being there.

02-03-2003, 07:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
krkode State Captain Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,781	I agree with you guys. Cricket may be about skill and talent, but it's also about luck. WI get a rained out match - very unlucky, but maybe they just weren't meant to make it to the next stage. Same for all the other teams that won't make it. Kenya got through with a free ticket win vs. NZ, one that would've been very hard to win, but now that it's done, I guess that's it. Somebody doesn't make it, Kenya does. A very impressive performance by the Kenyan team, indeed. :wow:

02-03-2003, 08:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	I'd give NZ a better chance of winning the World Cup than Kenya, but at the end of the day it was NZ who made the call to not go to Kenya so they should be willing to accept that this could have been one of the possible outcomes. I wouldn't really care if NZ were playing badly, but in the last 2 weeks they've really looked good & it will be a big shame if they bow out at the prelims.

03-03-2003, 08:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bazza International 12th Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hants, England Posts: 1,710	Harsh but fair my friend.

04-03-2003, 02:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
Paid The Umpire All Time Legend Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In Your House, With A Knife! Posts: 2,300	They should have gotten in on there victory over Sri Lanka

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