NZ v South Africa

Tim · 15-02-2003, 04:03 PM

Well this might be the most important match of the World Cup so far because its likely that whichever team loses will probably be knocked out of the prelim stage.

Now everyone knows that NZ have a mental block against South Africa & that their record is extremely poor, so the odds are firmly against them on this one.

Kiwi · 15-02-2003, 06:38 PM

Yes, SA certainly have the edge going into the match. Interesting to see that Craig McMillan has been brought back into the team of 12. I feel that this is a BIG mistake by the NZ selectors. A player doesn't just return to form with the click of a finger.

NZ need one of their top 5 batters to get 100. If this happens then they could win. If not no chance.

Tim · 15-02-2003, 06:44 PM

Yep & its at the expense of Chris Harris. A big call by the selectors but you could say that Harris in both the matches he has played has been terrible with the bat aswell.

Kiwi · 15-02-2003, 09:52 PM

I thought Sinclair Might have got a go. I would have put him in instead of McMillan.

V Reddy · 15-02-2003, 10:49 PM

I think NZ have a better chance in this game. SAF's bowling is not that great if you see off Ntini and Pollock and in the batting you have to dismiss Gibbs and Kallis early. I favour NZ in this one.

full_length · 15-02-2003, 11:39 PM

It's high time NZ beat SA.
But its highly unlikely too.

Is Graeme Smith back (for Jonty)?

Will depend a lot on the track. If the track is a good one, and Astle's torrid time continues, NZ will be beaten easily.

I heard someone say that Astle does well only against England..
I thought India has the honour of giving him runs and wickets too.. he's a quality bat and the only one apart from Cairns from the NZ team that wins my respect

krkode · 16-02-2003, 12:10 AM

I'm just sad Alan Donald isn't his same old self again...*thinks back to the day when Donald could rip through any batting line up*

Oh well, seeing that SA don't have some of their best in form, there is no real underdog to this game - which would usually have been NZ.

With Styris and Bond in sparkles, they could rip through any team.

But it'd be pretty strange to not see SA in the super six, so I doubt that they'll just get brushed aside that easily.

World cups are more of a class thing - not so much of a form thing. The most inform teams may do well, but the classiest teams win

-> just my opinion on things...

Kiwi · 16-02-2003, 12:12 AM

Astle is having an aweful time. A groin injury and also a hernia. And still he plays on.

Kimbo · 16-02-2003, 01:25 AM

I thought NZ had got another rotten decision from the umpire when Gibbs wasn't given out caught behind but the snickometer didnt show anything as ball passed bat. Crazy thing is tho, you could hear the noise, but the snickometer showed nothing at all...

Fixed! Fixed I say!

RickyPonting14 · 16-02-2003, 01:32 AM

Should be a good match.

I hope its as good as the SA v WI match. I think and hope that South Africa can win. They have a stronger team in my opinion. SA are looking pretty good at the moment after they won the toss and batted 1st. SA are 0/39 after 7 overs. Smith is on 18 off 20 and Gibbs is 15 off 24.

marc71178 · 16-02-2003, 02:54 AM

Well 130-2 at half way, NZ are looking in trouble with a suddenly back on-song Zulu waiting for later on, not to mention the hitting of Pollock and Boucher (and interestingly Kirsten is yet to bat)

Looking at the other scores so far, well bowled Anderson, you can only bowl at what's in front of you, and you've done superbly there.

Namibia vs. Pakistan looks interesting as well, Pakistan 113-2 from 27 overs - would like to push the rate up a little bit soon I'd have thought.

Kimbo · 16-02-2003, 04:01 AM

Well... New Zealand again had no luck when Gibbs was lucky not to be given lbw to Oram. Now he is really having a go at Vettori... ouch!

New Zealand are going to be chasing about 300 I'd say.

Kimbo · 16-02-2003, 04:28 AM

not impressed with NZ bowling at all... :rolleyes:
utter crap!

Tim · 16-02-2003, 04:43 AM

The first 10 overs or so were very streaky for the South Africans, there were about 7 french cuts & a couple of shots that just missed the fielders not to mention the one-handed catch by Astle in the slips which was Bond's fault for balling a no-ball.

But after Gibbs got his century it really was good batting & with the way Pakistan chased against Australia, NZ's chances are very poor.

NZ's fielding & bowling was a mixed bag & I think to get this score NZ may need to consider trying Andre Adams at 3 because there's no way they'll get this target if they don't go for gold from ball 1.

Tim · 16-02-2003, 06:23 AM

Wow, McMillan & Fleming are on the rampage.

82/0 after 12.3 overs

Fleming destroyed kallis & NZ have a chance to win if the rain comes at 25 overs.
they only need 102 if they don't lose a wicket at 25 overs.

15-02-2003, 04:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	NZ v South Africa Well this might be the most important match of the World Cup so far because its likely that whichever team loses will probably be knocked out of the prelim stage. Now everyone knows that NZ have a mental block against South Africa & that their record is extremely poor, so the odds are firmly against them on this one.

15-02-2003, 10:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
V Reddy International Debutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hyderabad,India Posts: 2,550	I think NZ have a better chance in this game. SAF's bowling is not that great if you see off Ntini and Pollock and in the batting you have to dismiss Gibbs and Kallis early. I favour NZ in this one. __________________ www.somdev.com www.nehasworld.com

16-02-2003, 01:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kimbo International Debutant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: london Posts: 2,835	I thought NZ had got another rotten decision from the umpire when Gibbs wasn't given out caught behind but the snickometer didnt show anything as ball passed bat. Crazy thing is tho, you could hear the noise, but the snickometer showed nothing at all... Fixed! Fixed I say! __________________ life's a gift thats why they call it the present

16-02-2003, 02:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	Well 130-2 at half way, NZ are looking in trouble with a suddenly back on-song Zulu waiting for later on, not to mention the hitting of Pollock and Boucher (and interestingly Kirsten is yet to bat) Looking at the other scores so far, well bowled Anderson, you can only bowl at what's in front of you, and you've done superbly there. Namibia vs. Pakistan looks interesting as well, Pakistan 113-2 from 27 overs - would like to push the rate up a little bit soon I'd have thought. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

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15-02-2003, 06:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kiwi State Vice-Captain Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,079	Yes, SA certainly have the edge going into the match. Interesting to see that Craig McMillan has been brought back into the team of 12. I feel that this is a BIG mistake by the NZ selectors. A player doesn't just return to form with the click of a finger. NZ need one of their top 5 batters to get 100. If this happens then they could win. If not no chance.

15-02-2003, 06:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Yep & its at the expense of Chris Harris. A big call by the selectors but you could say that Harris in both the matches he has played has been terrible with the bat aswell.

15-02-2003, 09:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kiwi State Vice-Captain Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,079	I thought Sinclair Might have got a go. I would have put him in instead of McMillan.

15-02-2003, 11:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
full_length U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 538	It's high time NZ beat SA. But its highly unlikely too. Is Graeme Smith back (for Jonty)? Will depend a lot on the track. If the track is a good one, and Astle's torrid time continues, NZ will be beaten easily. I heard someone say that Astle does well only against England.. I thought India has the honour of giving him runs and wickets too.. he's a quality bat and the only one apart from Cairns from the NZ team that wins my respect

16-02-2003, 12:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
krkode State Captain Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,781	I'm just sad Alan Donald isn't his same old self again...thinks back to the day when Donald could rip through any batting line up Oh well, seeing that SA don't have some of their best in form, there is no real underdog to this game - which would usually have been NZ. With Styris and Bond in sparkles, they could rip through any team. But it'd be pretty strange to not see SA in the super six, so I doubt that they'll just get brushed aside that easily. World cups are more of a class thing - not so much of a form thing. The most inform teams may do well, but the classiest teams win -> just my opinion on things...

16-02-2003, 12:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
Kiwi State Vice-Captain Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,079	Astle is having an aweful time. A groin injury and also a hernia. And still he plays on.

16-02-2003, 01:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
RickyPonting14 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 57	Should be a good match. I hope its as good as the SA v WI match. I think and hope that South Africa can win. They have a stronger team in my opinion. SA are looking pretty good at the moment after they won the toss and batted 1st. SA are 0/39 after 7 overs. Smith is on 18 off 20 and Gibbs is 15 off 24.

16-02-2003, 04:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kimbo International Debutant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: london Posts: 2,835	Well... New Zealand again had no luck when Gibbs was lucky not to be given lbw to Oram. Now he is really having a go at Vettori... ouch! New Zealand are going to be chasing about 300 I'd say.

16-02-2003, 04:28 AM	#13 (permalink)
Kimbo International Debutant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: london Posts: 2,835	not impressed with NZ bowling at all... :rolleyes: utter crap!

16-02-2003, 04:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	The first 10 overs or so were very streaky for the South Africans, there were about 7 french cuts & a couple of shots that just missed the fielders not to mention the one-handed catch by Astle in the slips which was Bond's fault for balling a no-ball. But after Gibbs got his century it really was good batting & with the way Pakistan chased against Australia, NZ's chances are very poor. NZ's fielding & bowling was a mixed bag & I think to get this score NZ may need to consider trying Andre Adams at 3 because there's no way they'll get this target if they don't go for gold from ball 1.

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16-02-2003, 06:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Wow, McMillan & Fleming are on the rampage. 82/0 after 12.3 overs Fleming destroyed kallis & NZ have a chance to win if the rain comes at 25 overs. they only need 102 if they don't lose a wicket at 25 overs.