Pakistan/Australia possibly the most explosive clash of the tournament - Page 3

Rik · 11-02-2003, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Top_Cat
You said just acceptable. Maybe this is a function of how we take things but I took it too mean that you thought he was close to over-stepping the mark. My mistake.

At 130km/h+, they are most certainly NOT free hits; theyŕe actually quite dangerous. Ie been the victim of one bowled at me from someone whoḋ been clocked at 144km/h and I didnt even pick it up until it was right on top of me. Him and I had words after the game, let me tell you.

Same speed as a normally pitched ball. And I've never had words with the opposition, I've just got on with the game. Yeah if they sledge you then give some back, but if it's a beamer then why bother? It's usually a mistake. That's why we wear helmets...

Top_Cat · 11-02-2003, 07:32 AM

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Precisely. A function of origin perhaps. And btw TC you buy a nwe keyboard ? you seem to be typing characters mine doesn't have

Nah, Mozilla in Red Hat Linux is just having trouble with my keyboard and I canṫ be bothered fixing it.

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Same speed as a normally pitched ball. And I've never had words with the opposition, I've just got on with the game. Yeah if they sledge you then give some back, but if it's a beamer then why bother? It's usually a mistake. That's why we wear helmets...

Maybe so but I guess I just less forgiving. If itś an accident, Im going to be very annoyed at the negligence of the situation. If itś deliberate, God help you when I get my hands on the ball and youre at the other end.

aussie_beater · 11-02-2003, 07:53 AM

Well now this match is going the way of the 1999 final..... I mean the loss margin would probably be quite huge with Pak already 6 down for 125.

Awesome batting from Symonds, as good as any I have ever seen....... now the Pakistani newspaper headlines should be "Symonds who ?"

Rik · 11-02-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Top_Cat
Maybe so but I guess I just less forgiving. If itś an accident, Im going to be very annoyed at the negligence of the situation. If itś deliberate, God help you when I get my hands on the ball and youre at the other end.

Luckly I bowl SLA and when I bowl a full toss it's usually heaved straight to the boundary rider. Great tactic

Gotchya · 11-02-2003, 08:52 AM

Australia rap it up and win by 82 runs. Good confident win by the champions. The Pakistani's are left again with a tautering batting lineup which just doesn't seem to deliver.

I think Waqar lost a huge bowling option when he opted to leave Saqlain out today, Afridi and younis Khan were not good enough to halt the aggressive advance of Symond. I feel that with Hogg, Maher an Harvey in the batting line up, Saqlain would have troubled them a lot. But again the way Symods played today was just out of this world.

Australia can now advance with confidence against the other teams. Whereas Pakistan will be looking forward to their first win

Rik · 11-02-2003, 09:39 AM

I remember when Waqar left out Saqlain in the 1st Test against England 2 years ago, Pakistan lost by a mile, brought him back on an unhelpful surfice and he took 4-80 odd and Pakistan won. The message is there, don't leave him out.

Langeveldt · 11-02-2003, 04:20 PM

I love watching Afridi bat when he gets set, but I am surprised he is still in the pakistani set up, he never seems to do much (with the bat anyway)

royGilchrist · 11-02-2003, 06:34 PM

First of all bowling beamers is just abut the most disrespectful and dangerous thing a fast bowler can do. Actually no, its the second most disrespectful thing, the most disrespectful...not saying sorry after bowling a beamer. Waqar was dealt in exactly the right way, although it could have killed the batsman or atleast done severe harm, and maybe a suspension shouldnt be out of the question too.

A few observations otherwise (now that I finally get to see a few matches)...

-I like afridi's inclusion in the side, but he was misused in both batting and bowling. Especially bowling. I was convinced that afridi will get Symonds out when I saw symonds cutting the ball regularly on afridi. With afridi' s deliveries drifting in at fast speed, and with that fast change of pace, I thought it was a matter of time before symonds is cramped for room abd bowled. Didnt happen. The trend was simple...half volleys, which were driven in the cover/extra cover/mid off region, or short deliveries cut thru the point region (infront of point or backward of point, Symonds had scored 74 runs when he was little over 100). Just horrible. Whaever happend to the change of pace, and bowling at good length. Someone (wasim/waqar/rashid) should have pointed that out.

- in batting I really am annoyed when afridi tries to take it easy and be cautious. then its just a matter of time before he gets out. but unfortunately the whole nation keps telling him that he shold be more careful in his approach. Its simple he cannot do it, the chances of getting out early if he does this are 100%. what he should be doing is, maybe after facing one ball, he should hold the bat hard, look at the ball carefully, and whack it as hard as possible. even on mcgrath he would have a decent chance of clearing the infield, or have the ball go over the slips and keeper. if he can hit a couple of sixes or fours, that will set the tone, and have both bowlers check their line and especially length, i.e. will start bowling short. and that is the only way afridi can succeede. If they expect him to play cautiously then may as well not send him, atleast not opening anyways, becasue there is no way he can survive the first ten overs in SA.

-afridi's bowling was better thought out partly, because pakistan were thinking about speeding up their bowling rate by that time, and it didnt matter what he bowled as long as he finished his overs quickly. That brings me to another point...I love rashid ltif, he is clearly better in keeping and batting then moin, miles ahead in keeping especially, but one intangibel with moin was, he got everyone moving fast between overs, and i am just speculating but i think he was the guy responsible to look over the over rate. rashid sucks in this aspect. and its quite important.

-where the hell is ian chappell? i mean its the firggin world cup and the best commentator in the world is missing. well imran is missing too, so there is another awesome commentator missing too. and aamir sohail is in the commentary box, please get this man out of there. I havent heard healy much before, but he is a pleasant surprise in the commentary box.

-one silly observation, pakistan almost always do well in big tournaments (not only cricket but other sports too) when they struggle in the beginning (WC92, hockey Olympics 84, the two biggest tourneys pak have won in the last twenty years), and suck if they peak early (WC87), so from that aspect atleast they are well on their way to winning the cup

Tim · 11-02-2003, 07:01 PM

I heard Ian Chappell was dumped from the commentary because of his comments about Malcolm Speed, so thats why he isn't there.

Rik · 11-02-2003, 07:10 PM

I heard Imran when Pakistan toured England 2 years ago and he sounded asleep most of the time. So saying he's a great commentator's a bit...over the top!

Aggers for me any day

Gotchya · 11-02-2003, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by royGilchrist
First of all bowling beamers is just abut the most disrespectful and dangerous thing a fast bowler can do. Actually no, its the second most disrespectful thing, the most disrespectful...not saying sorry after bowling a beamer. Waqar was dealt in exactly the right way, although it could have killed the batsman or atleast done severe harm, and maybe a suspension shouldnt be out of the question too.

That was queer wasn't it ? I mean he did apologise the first time around, but didn't do it the second time !? Maybe there was frustration and anger at not being able to restrict Australia to a lower score but it was the last thing I would expect from Waqar. Would have been expected of maybe lets say Shoaib?

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-one silly observation, pakistan almost always do well in big tournaments (not only cricket but other sports too) when they struggle in the beginning (WC92, hockey Olympics 84, the two biggest tourneys pak have won in the last twenty years), and suck if they peak early (WC87), so from that aspect atleast they are well on their way to winning the cup

Thats what I keep telling me mates they just dont believe me !

yohanna · 11-02-2003, 09:08 PM

Pakistan lost the match due to poor captaincy, Waqar is proving to be not only an ordinary bowler but a very ordinary captain too.
It was ridiculous to ask Aussies to bat after winning the toss, moreso going into the match with just 3 specialists bowlers was criminal.Waqar doesn't have much faith in Saqlain, he seems to prefer bits and pieces players in S Malik and Afridi over Saqlain.
I think Waqar should have gone for the kill when Aussies were 146-5 and should have attacked them with Akram instead he went defensive.Saqlain would have been very usefull in this situation.
As for Afridi, i can't understand as to why is it essential to have such a player in the team? The guy averages just 12 against Aussies yet is considered good enough to open the innings, Afridi simply doesn't have the technique to survive against a quality pace attack.
I just hope that Pakistan goes with Elahi and Anwar as openers for the rest of the tour.Considering that the teams will take with them the points to the super six stage, i think that if Pakistan loses one more match (to India or Eng) then though they might still qualify for the Supersix but their chances of making it to the semis will become minimal!

marc71178 · 12-02-2003, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by royGilchrist

-one silly observation, pakistan almost always do well in big tournaments (not only cricket but other sports too) when they struggle in the beginning (WC92, hockey Olympics 84, the two biggest tourneys pak have won in the last twenty years), and suck if they peak early (WC87), so from that aspect atleast they are well on their way to winning the cup

Really clutching at straws there Roy.

All you need now is to be bowled out for 74 by England, and then have the game rained off, and I'd say it's a certain!

marc71178 · 12-02-2003, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by yohanna

I just hope that Pakistan goes with Elahi and Anwar as openers for the rest of the tour.Considering that the teams will take with them the points to the super six stage, i think that if Pakistan loses one more match (to India or Eng) then though they might still qualify for the Supersix but their chances of making it to the semis will become minimal!

In a predictable world Aus would win 6 from 6, Ind, Pak and Eng would beat the 3 minnows, and then those 3 games are crucial - if that ends up being the case then I guess they can only afford 1 more defeat!

royGilchrist · 12-02-2003, 11:25 AM

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Really clutching at straws there Roy.

Well yeh maybe, although I really dont care much if Pak wins, just giving some history.

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I heard Imran when Pakistan toured England 2 years ago and he sounded asleep most of the time. So saying he's a great commentator's a bit...over the top!

I think it as WC99 when I herd Ian Chappell and Imran do commentary, and that was the most intriguing conversation I have heard among commentators for a long time.

11-02-2003, 07:53 AM	#33 (permalink)
aussie_beater State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Carolina, USA Posts: 1,068	Well now this match is going the way of the 1999 final..... I mean the loss margin would probably be quite huge with Pak already 6 down for 125. Awesome batting from Symonds, as good as any I have ever seen....... now the Pakistani newspaper headlines should be "Symonds who ?" __________________ Flames are welcome, but beware of the Backdraft

11-02-2003, 08:52 AM	#35 (permalink)
Gotchya State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lahore, Pakistan Posts: 1,399	Australia rap it up and win by 82 runs. Good confident win by the champions. The Pakistani's are left again with a tautering batting lineup which just doesn't seem to deliver. I think Waqar lost a huge bowling option when he opted to leave Saqlain out today, Afridi and younis Khan were not good enough to halt the aggressive advance of Symond. I feel that with Hogg, Maher an Harvey in the batting line up, Saqlain would have troubled them a lot. But again the way Symods played today was just out of this world. Australia can now advance with confidence against the other teams. Whereas Pakistan will be looking forward to their first win __________________ Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box

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11-02-2003, 09:39 AM	#36 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	I remember when Waqar left out Saqlain in the 1st Test against England 2 years ago, Pakistan lost by a mile, brought him back on an unhelpful surfice and he took 4-80 odd and Pakistan won. The message is there, don't leave him out.

11-02-2003, 06:34 PM	#38 (permalink)
royGilchrist State 12th Man Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 787	First of all bowling beamers is just abut the most disrespectful and dangerous thing a fast bowler can do. Actually no, its the second most disrespectful thing, the most disrespectful...not saying sorry after bowling a beamer. Waqar was dealt in exactly the right way, although it could have killed the batsman or atleast done severe harm, and maybe a suspension shouldnt be out of the question too. A few observations otherwise (now that I finally get to see a few matches)... -I like afridi's inclusion in the side, but he was misused in both batting and bowling. Especially bowling. I was convinced that afridi will get Symonds out when I saw symonds cutting the ball regularly on afridi. With afridi' s deliveries drifting in at fast speed, and with that fast change of pace, I thought it was a matter of time before symonds is cramped for room abd bowled. Didnt happen. The trend was simple...half volleys, which were driven in the cover/extra cover/mid off region, or short deliveries cut thru the point region (infront of point or backward of point, Symonds had scored 74 runs when he was little over 100). Just horrible. Whaever happend to the change of pace, and bowling at good length. Someone (wasim/waqar/rashid) should have pointed that out. - in batting I really am annoyed when afridi tries to take it easy and be cautious. then its just a matter of time before he gets out. but unfortunately the whole nation keps telling him that he shold be more careful in his approach. Its simple he cannot do it, the chances of getting out early if he does this are 100%. what he should be doing is, maybe after facing one ball, he should hold the bat hard, look at the ball carefully, and whack it as hard as possible. even on mcgrath he would have a decent chance of clearing the infield, or have the ball go over the slips and keeper. if he can hit a couple of sixes or fours, that will set the tone, and have both bowlers check their line and especially length, i.e. will start bowling short. and that is the only way afridi can succeede. If they expect him to play cautiously then may as well not send him, atleast not opening anyways, becasue there is no way he can survive the first ten overs in SA. -afridi's bowling was better thought out partly, because pakistan were thinking about speeding up their bowling rate by that time, and it didnt matter what he bowled as long as he finished his overs quickly. That brings me to another point...I love rashid ltif, he is clearly better in keeping and batting then moin, miles ahead in keeping especially, but one intangibel with moin was, he got everyone moving fast between overs, and i am just speculating but i think he was the guy responsible to look over the over rate. rashid sucks in this aspect. and its quite important. -where the hell is ian chappell? i mean its the firggin world cup and the best commentator in the world is missing. well imran is missing too, so there is another awesome commentator missing too. and aamir sohail is in the commentary box, please get this man out of there. I havent heard healy much before, but he is a pleasant surprise in the commentary box. -one silly observation, pakistan almost always do well in big tournaments (not only cricket but other sports too) when they struggle in the beginning (WC92, hockey Olympics 84, the two biggest tourneys pak have won in the last twenty years), and suck if they peak early (WC87), so from that aspect atleast they are well on their way to winning the cup

11-02-2003, 07:01 PM	#39 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	I heard Ian Chappell was dumped from the commentary because of his comments about Malcolm Speed, so thats why he isn't there.

11-02-2003, 07:10 PM	#40 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	I heard Imran when Pakistan toured England 2 years ago and he sounded asleep most of the time. So saying he's a great commentator's a bit...over the top! Aggers for me any day

11-02-2003, 09:08 PM	#42 (permalink)
yohanna Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	Pakistan lost the match due to poor captaincy, Waqar is proving to be not only an ordinary bowler but a very ordinary captain too. It was ridiculous to ask Aussies to bat after winning the toss, moreso going into the match with just 3 specialists bowlers was criminal.Waqar doesn't have much faith in Saqlain, he seems to prefer bits and pieces players in S Malik and Afridi over Saqlain. I think Waqar should have gone for the kill when Aussies were 146-5 and should have attacked them with Akram instead he went defensive.Saqlain would have been very usefull in this situation. As for Afridi, i can't understand as to why is it essential to have such a player in the team? The guy averages just 12 against Aussies yet is considered good enough to open the innings, Afridi simply doesn't have the technique to survive against a quality pace attack. I just hope that Pakistan goes with Elahi and Anwar as openers for the rest of the tour.Considering that the teams will take with them the points to the super six stage, i think that if Pakistan loses one more match (to India or Eng) then though they might still qualify for the Supersix but their chances of making it to the semis will become minimal!

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