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The New Proposal

Simon

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Guys
Blewy and I have been discussing a new set up for the game, we have taken into account the result of the poll run over the weekend and this is what we have come up with, this isnt final and theres every chance it could be changed slightly, could everyone please read it carefully and make any suggestions you have constructive...
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There will be 48 teams in total, 24 teams in the WCC league and 24 in a 2nd XI league. The 24 WCC teams will be sides from the original WCC, e.g Cloete will be offered TN, Slats offered WP and so on. Every team will have a 2nd XI and these sides will have their own manager, but it will be in effect 1 club. So each club will have 25 players and these must cover the WCC team and 2nd XI side each week. Managers are not obliged to take the side they originally had, e.g Greg may not want to take Yorks back so he will be placed on a list and given a choice of the remaining teams that havent been chosen by their existing manager or are a side that no longer have a manager.

Each team will retain the current 17 players they had before WCC ended, however to get the squads up to 25 players all the left over squads will have their players placed into a player pool and a draft will be run, e.g if Warwicks arent chosen to be in wcc all their players will go into the draft and the existing teams have the chance to pick their players. The will run for 8 rounds and a random order for each round will be picked after the squads have been assigned. Each team will now be required to have a 3rd wicketkeeper to cover injured an 2nd XI.

The 2nd XI manager will be associated with the WCC team with which he is managing, ultimately the First team manager has final say in trades and draft picks but we will be encouraging people to get their 2nd XI manager involved. If a first team manager is away or unable to post a side the 2nd XI manager will step up and take on the role of WCC manager, also if a first team manager is sacked, the 2nd XI manager will be LIKELY to step up. Obviously there isnt enough people though to have 24 2nd XI managers so we will be asking for experienced managers to look after their reserve team until there are more managers. However we are expecting around half, possibly more to have a 2nd team coach.

The FC will still be simmed with ITC as we have been using lately, at this stage VC4 will be still running OD, but we are hoping to change that soon, the reintroduction of a cup competition is also likely.

Managers can now also be sacked for reasons other than not submitting their side, we are looking for improved dedication from everyone to make this game worthwhile, i wont say this lightly, this is thelast chance for everyone, if this doesnt take off there will be no more WCC. Its now up to everyone to contribute more, we have given the majority what they want, so dont let us down.

Please let us know what you guys think and keep it contructive, also dont be afraid to ask questions cause theres every chance ive missed something here.
cheers
Simon
 
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vic_orthdox

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I'm more than happy to help out if you want a 2nd XI manager. Proposal looks tops to me.

Those who have to manage a second side - that'd obviously be the reserve side to the one they're managing, or the reserve side of someone else? Because that'd be bogus.
 

Simon

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vic_orthdox said:
I'm more than happy to help out if you want a 2nd XI manager. Proposal looks tops to me.

Those who have to manage a second side - that'd obviously be the reserve side to the one they're managing, or the reserve side of someone else? Because that'd be bogus.
yeh its the team of the one they are managing, so if Cloete was asked to be a 2nd Xi manager it would be of TN...
 

Blewy

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Just to add to this, We will be looking at Implementing Slats idea of a Committee to adjudicate on Sackings etc... I will be on that panel, and due to this i will not be taking a first XI, I will be a 2nd XI manager who will just maintain that position in the game and not be in line for promotion etc..

I will be looking at possibly 2 other people to join me on the panel... Whether they are outsiders or Managers im not sure, this is something still to be determined...

Please give your opinions, If you dont like something, say so, but also say what you think should be added or changed...

Like simon said, this is the last chance... We are going to give this our all for one last effort, we hope you do to....
 

chaminda_00

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First of all it sounds great

A couple of questions:

1. Which teams from the old WCC will make up the 24 sides
2. Are the 24 managers going to be the same as the current ones
3. If so can we have a choice in who our 2nd XI manager will be
4. If there are all these changes can we add run rate (strike rate) to VC4 in ODs, i think it might make a big difference.
 

Simon

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chaminda_00 said:
First of all it sounds great

A couple of questions:

1. Which teams from the old WCC will make up the 24 sides
2. Are the 24 managers going to be the same as the current ones
3. If so can we have a choice in who our 2nd XI manager will be
4. If there are all these changes can we add run rate (strike rate) to VC4 in ODs, i think it might make a big difference.
ill answer question 2 first, the current 24 managers will be all offered WCC teams, so yes, they will all be offered their original WCC side, so thats Colts in your case, ND in my case. You can then decided yes ill take them or no ill go onto the list with other current managers who dont want their existing teams, you would then be able to pick which team you want from the 12 other sides (and those of other managers on the list) that didnt have their manager given a spot a few months ago...

i cant see any problems with people chosing their own assisnt and its still not possible to have batting strike rates in VC4...
 

Blewy

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1/ The teams which will be selected will be determined at a later date, we havent really thought about that as yet...

2/ At this stage yes...

3/ 2nd XI managers will be offered positions from an order of merit basis, however if there are requests we would gladly look at them, we want to encourage people to work together...

4/ Unfortunatley VC4 doesnt allow this function, we are looking at other options but at this point in time we cant find any... Neils sim will be an option but possibly further down the track..
 

NZTailender

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Hmm, it's an interesting proposal. I like the idea of an "Executive Managers" board, if you will, that fires managers who aren't up to it. I'm not so hot on the 2nd XI managers idea though.
 

Blewy

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The reason 2nd XI's have been put in place as we feel managers need to be able to go somewhere if they get fired... it would not be fair to just axe them from the game completely....
 

Simon

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Blewy said:
The reason 2nd XI's have been put in place as we feel managers need to be able to go somewhere if they get fired... it would not be fair to just axe them from the game completely....
it also gives new managers who have just come into the game a chance to work with a more experience manager and ease them into wcc...
 

NZTailender

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Perhaps a second squad could be organised, made up of mainly rookie players that would graduate into the First XI the next season?
 

Simon

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NZTailender said:
Perhaps a second squad could be organised, made up of mainly rookie players that would graduate into the First XI the next season?
too many rookies as is, we dont want whole teams of them, plus players who are part of the teams that wont be in wcc need somewhere to go...
 

chaminda_00

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NZTailender said:
Perhaps a second squad could be organised, made up of mainly rookie players that would graduate into the First XI the next season?
All i see in the 2nd XI is positives. It means that all the guys that want to be involved in WCC get a team either 1st XI or 2nd XI and it means there will be more depth throughout the squads. You can basically have 11 OD specialist and 11 FC specialist plus a few youngersters to build up through the 2nd XI side, you no longer have to focus just on one form.
 

Simon

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not all players are one form specialists though, look at someone like Moore from NSW, he would make anyones FC and OD teams pretty much, and NSW dont currently have a manager, so if they arent taken he will end up in the draft...
 

chaminda_00

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broncoman said:
not all players are one form specialists though, look at someone like Moore from NSW, he would make anyones FC and OD teams pretty much, and NSW dont currently have a manager, so if they arent taken he will end up in the draft...
I know all im saying is that i can now bring in FC players for the Colts, without effecting Age's work in the OD.
 

Simon

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chaminda_00 said:
I know all im saying is that i can now bring in FC players for the Colts, without effecting Age's work in the OD.
yeh fair enough
 

chaminda_00

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Also wouldn't it more beneficial that guys like Moore move to the weaker sides prior to the draft, rather then do into the draft and maybe end up at one of the top sides
 

Simon

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chaminda_00 said:
Also wouldn't it more beneficial that guys like Moore move to the weaker sides prior to the draft, rather then do into the draft and maybe end up at one of the top sides
theres going to be so many good players Moore may not neccisarily go first, look at teams like Warwicks who have a lot of awesome players and they will be drafted at this stage...
 

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