Did Shaun Pollock cheat?

Pef · 17-09-2007, 03:35 AM

If you watched the match between England and South Africa Las night did you think that the run out of Kevin pieterson was caused by shaun pollack deliberately or do you think that it was kp's fault?

The code of conduct says:
Level 2
The Offences set out at 2.1 to 2.11 below are Level 2 Offences. The Penalty for a Level 2 Offence shall
be a fine of the equivalent of between 50% of the Player or Official’s match fee up to their full match fee
and/or a 1 Test Match or 2 ODI Match ban
2.1 Showing serious dissent at an umpire’s decision..
2.2 Breach of the Logo Policy relating to a commercial logo or a player’s bat logo as defined therein.
2.3 Serious public criticism of, or inappropriate comment on a match related incident or match
official.
2.4 Inappropriate and deliberate physical contact between Players in the course of play.
2.5 Charging or advancing towards the umpire in an aggressive manner when appealing.
[2.6 Deliberate and malicious distraction or obstruction on the field of play (this supplements and does
not replace ICC Standard Test Match and ODI Playing Conditions clauses 42.2 and 42.3
2.7 Throwing the ball at or near a Player, umpire or official in an inappropriate and/or dangerous
manner.

I think that pollack looked at kp and deliberately ran in front of him and I do not understand why the umpires took no action.
Look at the slow mo of the incident and you can clearly see that pollack is looking at kp not the ball.
If he is then he is a cheat and should be punished accordingly.
The outcome of the game was probably seriously affected...........

pasag · 17-09-2007, 04:27 AM

The replays showed it clearly wasn't delibrate, iirc Pollock did not once look at KP in that play and had his eyes on the ball the whole time.

SJS · 17-09-2007, 04:33 AM

There was no way Pollock blocked KP intentionaly. It was shown a zillion times from all kinds of angles and it was always the same. It happened spontaneously. As was his immediate concern for KP.

Kp's response to Pollock showing concern for his 'hurt' also showed that even KP did not think Pollock was to blame for it.

It was unfortunate for KP but completely withoyt blame was Pollock.

Sanz · 17-09-2007, 12:11 PM

Stop it.

grecian · 17-09-2007, 01:35 PM

Pollacks, tbh.

Jamee999 · 17-09-2007, 02:21 PM

I don't think he did it delibrately, but I dunno if that makes it OK. If you follow.

open365 · 17-09-2007, 02:30 PM

I'm not sure either way, i don't think he was being malicious but looking at the replay i can't really see why he was running the way he was.

steds · 17-09-2007, 02:38 PM

Was Pietersen's fault either way. Not supposed to run straight down the middle of the pitch. If he ran were he was supposed to, Pollock wouldn't have been able to do what he did, be it by accident or on purpose.

Zimdan · 17-09-2007, 05:43 PM

From what i saw of it, Pollock may have moved in front of him, but he was technically moving towards the ball so you cant exactly say he MEANT to knock him over.

Like what someone else said, Pietersen should not have been running down the middle of the pitch like he did.

If he were running where he was meant to, he never would have become caught up with him.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 17-09-2007, 06:02 PM

The run out was entirely Pietersen's fault. If he was going hard from the start he would have made it, with or without bat/balance. I respect Pollock more than virtually any cricketer in the world, and aside from that bit of bias, the video clearly shows that there was no cheating there.

SJS · 17-09-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

The run out was entirely Pietersen's fault. If he was going hard from the start he would have made it, with or without bat/balance. I respect Pollock more than virtually any cricketer in the world, and aside from that bit of bias, the video clearly shows that there was no cheating there.

AND , if you look at it carefully, Pollock wasn't looking at KP at all. he had his back towards him (KP) where is the question of being deliberate about it.

As to why he was moving as he was, well a throw had been made and he, as the bowler would automatically react to trying to get to the wicket (to help effect a run out) or to intercept the ball - either to help in the run out or to help avoid over throws. It is spontaneous and MUST be the reaction of any but the lazy and bad cricketer.

Pollock was just responding to his instinct and moving to intercept the ball. The fact that he was awkwardly placed would make his movements awkward and out of control which is what happened. KP just came and hit him when he was himself off balance in an effort to move quickly.

Sanz · 17-09-2007, 08:56 PM

Reminds me of Tendulkar Runout At Kolkata 1999. Many Indians still believe it as cheating by Pakistan (and by Akhtar).

Tendulkar Runout - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3u4qG_3a78

KP Runout - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Cq8x054Ec

dontcloseyoureyes · 18-09-2007, 01:15 AM

Prince EWS · 18-09-2007, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes

AWTA.

sideshowtim · 18-09-2007, 01:19 AM

To be honest, I was just glad to see Pietersen get knocked flat on his arse.

17-09-2007, 03:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Pef Cricket Spectator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: england Posts: 1	Did Shaun Pollock cheat? If you watched the match between England and South Africa Las night did you think that the run out of Kevin pieterson was caused by shaun pollack deliberately or do you think that it was kp's fault? The code of conduct says: Level 2 The Offences set out at 2.1 to 2.11 below are Level 2 Offences. The Penalty for a Level 2 Offence shall be a fine of the equivalent of between 50% of the Player or Official’s match fee up to their full match fee and/or a 1 Test Match or 2 ODI Match ban 2.1 Showing serious dissent at an umpire’s decision.. 2.2 Breach of the Logo Policy relating to a commercial logo or a player’s bat logo as defined therein. 2.3 Serious public criticism of, or inappropriate comment on a match related incident or match official. 2.4 Inappropriate and deliberate physical contact between Players in the course of play. 2.5 Charging or advancing towards the umpire in an aggressive manner when appealing. [2.6 Deliberate and malicious distraction or obstruction on the field of play (this supplements and does not replace ICC Standard Test Match and ODI Playing Conditions clauses 42.2 and 42.3 2.7 Throwing the ball at or near a Player, umpire or official in an inappropriate and/or dangerous manner. I think that pollack looked at kp and deliberately ran in front of him and I do not understand why the umpires took no action. Look at the slow mo of the incident and you can clearly see that pollack is looking at kp not the ball. If he is then he is a cheat and should be punished accordingly. The outcome of the game was probably seriously affected...........

17-09-2007, 04:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
pasag RTDAS Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Looking for milksteak Posts: 31,679	The replays showed it clearly wasn't delibrate, iirc Pollock did not once look at KP in that play and had his eyes on the ball the whole time. __________________ Rest In Peace Craigos 2003-2012

17-09-2007, 01:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
grecian International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hanging on ! Posts: 11,312	Pollacks, tbh. __________________ Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes. Walt Whitman

17-09-2007, 02:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jamee999 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leicestershire, UK Posts: 15,068	I don't think he did it delibrately, but I dunno if that makes it OK. If you follow. __________________ Or something. RIP Fardin Qayyumi (AKA "cricket player"; "Bob"), 1/11/1990 - 15/4/2006

17-09-2007, 05:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Zimdan School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bulawayo, Zimbabwe Posts: 83	From what i saw of it, Pollock may have moved in front of him, but he was technically moving towards the ball so you cant exactly say he MEANT to knock him over. Like what someone else said, Pietersen should not have been running down the middle of the pitch like he did. If he were running where he was meant to, he never would have become caught up with him. __________________ We live for alot, our land has been destroyed, but our cricket lives on.

17-09-2007, 04:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
SJS Hall of Fame Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mumbai India Posts: 19,188	There was no way Pollock blocked KP intentionaly. It was shown a zillion times from all kinds of angles and it was always the same. It happened spontaneously. As was his immediate concern for KP. Kp's response to Pollock showing concern for his 'hurt' also showed that even KP did not think Pollock was to blame for it. It was unfortunate for KP but completely withoyt blame was Pollock.

17-09-2007, 12:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sanz Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA Posts: 16,228	Stop it.

17-09-2007, 02:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
open365 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: liverpool Posts: 4,066	I'm not sure either way, i don't think he was being malicious but looking at the replay i can't really see why he was running the way he was.

17-09-2007, 02:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
steds Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Riding public transport back and forth Posts: 16,914	Was Pietersen's fault either way. Not supposed to run straight down the middle of the pitch. If he ran were he was supposed to, Pollock wouldn't have been able to do what he did, be it by accident or on purpose.

17-09-2007, 06:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mr Mxyzptlk Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Trinidad and Tobago (Trinidad) Posts: 36,795	The run out was entirely Pietersen's fault. If he was going hard from the start he would have made it, with or without bat/balance. I respect Pollock more than virtually any cricketer in the world, and aside from that bit of bias, the video clearly shows that there was no cheating there. __________________ Sreesanth said, "Next ball he was beaten and I said, 'is this the King Charles Lara? Who is this impostor, moving around nervously? I should have kept my mouth shut for the next ball - mind you, it was a length ball - Lara just pulled it over the church beyond the boundary! He is a true legend." The Blog The Portfolio The...er...Twitter

17-09-2007, 08:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sanz Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA Posts: 16,228	Reminds me of Tendulkar Runout At Kolkata 1999. Many Indians still believe it as cheating by Pakistan (and by Akhtar). Tendulkar Runout - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3u4qG_3a78 KP Runout - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Cq8x054Ec

18-09-2007, 01:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
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18-09-2007, 01:19 AM	#15 (permalink)
sideshowtim Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 3,255	To be honest, I was just glad to see Pietersen get knocked flat on his arse.

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