Would Jacques Kallis and Imran Khan get more respect if they weren't all-rounders?

[Jassy]

Anyway enough Sanga now from my side or I might get banned we'll talk after the series in England. Sanga has been in great form smashing Shakib and co for triple hundreds so he has no excuse.

 

[viriya]

His WI record is no more 'deceiving' than his record in Aus where a 195 on a dead wicket boosts his average. At the end of the day, you can make as many excuses as you want and spin it however you want - he averages in the 30s in 4 countries. None of the truly great batsman have such records in as many countries...2 is the most you'll find and blokes like Tendulkar average 40+.

The 192 that Ian Chappell called the best innings by an overseas batsman in Aus he has seen since Lara's 277? ok..

I explained why his 30s in 4 countries was irrelevant in detail but since that is "spin" I will stop trying to have a discussion here.

 

[Dan]

Murali Kartik would probably be South Africa's greatest ever spinner.

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[Jassy]

Yes because Ian Chappell's words are gospel. Think he also called Sehwag one of the best ever or something along those lines. Probably has a liking for FTBs

anyway, let's continue after the England series. Back to Kallis and Imran now.

 

[viriya]

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More like Hugh Tayfield.

 

[viriya]

Yes because Ian Chappell's words are gospel. Think he also called Sehwag one of the best ever or something along those lines. Probably has a liking for FTBs

Of course Sehwag is one of the ATG (not in the same vein as Lara, Tendulkar etc, but as a revolutionary batsman).. the highest strike rate in the history of Test cricket of batsmen with >2000 test runs, with a ~50 average as opener. He changed Test opening - David Warner got the confidence that he could open in Tests after advice from Sehwag when they were playing together in the IPL. He obviously didn't do well vs the swinging ball - but in favorable conditions no one dominated like he did.

Not to mention 3 of the 4 fastest 200s of all-time, the fastest 300 of all-time..

 

[OverratedSanity]

I expected the Sanga hate but didn't expect denigration of the 192. That was as glorious an innings as any played in Australia.

****ing Rudi

 

[Adders]

Jassy needs to find the love........

 

[Red]

Yes because Ian Chappell's words are gospel. Think he also called Sehwag one of the best ever or something along those lines..

Chappell's words aren't gospel, but he is a pretty astute observer, and he's not prone to hyperbole generally.

 

[The Sean]

And I don't think it's relevant that Kallis would be in India's top 5 pace bowlers ever, really. Harbhajan or Kumble would probably be South Africa's greatest ever spinner; doesn't mean much tbh.

Murali Kartik would probably be South Africa's greatest ever spinner.

Sad Hugh Tayfield is sad.

About Miller, genuine question... how strong were the west indies in his time? He got 4 out of his 7 hundreds and a big chunk of his wickets against them. Bit of a minnow basher if they weren't a good team, really.

A superb batting team, so his bowling record against them is excellent. Their pace attack wasn't so strong, though Ramadhin and Valentine were a wonderful spin bowling combination. They beat England in England in 1950 (hence their 51/52 tour of Australia being billed as an unofficial World Championship), and drew with England in the Caribbean in 1954. Overall, they were comfortably the second strongest opposition that Miller faced in those times.

 

[Prince EWS]

Sad Hugh Tayfield is sad.

Haha I probably rate him higher than anyone on the forum save you and possibly Fred. I couldn't resist though. South Africa have a terrible history of spin bowling. Kartik would have a genuine, non-me-taking-the-piss case for being the best since Tayfield if he was South African. Which is what would make Tayfield most sad of all.

 

[Flem274*]

Chappell's words aren't gospel, but he is a pretty astute observer, and he's not prone to hyperbole generally.

he's full of ****

 

[Red]

he's full of ****

What things specifically? I rate him but I know some don't.

 

[Flem274*]

everything

 

[OverratedSanity]

Chappell is a strange one. He can be great to listen to at times, but he also inexplicably plunges astonishing depths of stupidity.

Worst Chappell moment in the combox has to be the Blewett lbw to Mushtaq. He was so dumb that day it made me physically ill

 

[kyear2]

About Miller, genuine question... how strong were the west indies in his time? He got 4 out of his 7 hundreds and a big chunk of his wickets against them. Bit of a minnow basher if they weren't a good team, really.

He got most of the runs vs them in the W.I at a time when the pitches were honestly pancake flat and Ramdin and Valentine were unfortunately overworked by that time and way past their collective best. He bowled well against us in Australia where he and Lindwall bowled leg theory while targeting Weekes in particular.

Miller was a great all rounder but unfortunately like Botham neither an ATG batsman or bowler. His bolwing average was great, but his WPM and s/r and percentage of 5 wickets hauls were just a touch below that level and he mainly just bowled short spurts with the new ball. Again great all rounder though.

 

[BeeGee]

Martians don't have anuses.

Source?

Is that why they're so obsessed with probing ours?

 

[Red]

everything

Cool

 

[Adders]

Source?

Is that why they're so obsessed with probing ours?

 

[watson]

Re Chappell - Too much 'Confirmation Bias' going on here.

"I've heard Chappell make a stupid comment before, therefore all comments made by Chappell are stupid."