Why was Malcolm Marshall so middling in ODIs?

[mr_mister]

nah i say we leave them as is and he's forever an allrounder with a batting average 5 above his bowling average, ie a better test allrounder than Kapil Dev

 

[srbhkshk]

ok, pick him in the next draft imo.

 

[honestbharani]

nah i say we leave them as is and he's forever an allrounder with a batting average 5 above his bowling average, ie a better test allrounder than Kapil Dev

Not even a patch on the GOAT which is Jadeja though.

 

[aussie tragic]

Can anyone honestly say Marshall would not make the West Indies ATG ODI XI....think not so hardly middling

 

[stephen]

Tbf if he added 100 in each of his not out innings and was then dismissed he would still have been averaging 36.

Still, given the dross we've had over the last decade, imagine how much we would have appreciated him in today's era.

 

[h_hurricane]

Can anyone honestly say Marshall would not make the West Indies ATG ODI XI....think not so hardly middling

Marshall may not quite make WI ATG ODI XI given the quality there historically, but it wouldn't look as out of place as Bevan making an ATG Australian test XI.

 

[aussie tragic]

Marshall may not quite make WI ATG ODI XI given the quality there historically, but it wouldn't look as out of place as Bevan making an ATG Australian test XI.

Nah, Marshall is a lock with Garner, Holding and Ambrose...an ATG WI ODI XI has to have 4 pacers

 

[h_hurricane]

Nah, Marshall is a lock with Garner, Holding and Ambrose...an ATG WI ODI XI has to have 4 pacers

I think Roberts was better in ODIs and will probably take him.

Marshall at a bare minimum would make the 2nd XI though.

 

[mr_mister]

Andy Roberts far more deserving than Marshall in an ATG WI ODI side.. Using any metric

 

[aussie tragic]

Andy Roberts far more deserving than Marshall in an ATG WI ODI side.. Using any metric

What the metric of stats...I've seen them both live and loved Roberts as my first ATG bowler with Lillee, but Marshall beats him

 

[mr_mister]

Surely stats are a huge factor when rating Marshall. Tbh when ive watched highlights from old world series matches the other WI quicks look more impressive to the naked eye than him

 

[aussie tragic]

Surely stats are a huge factor when rating Marshall. Tbh when ive watched highlights from old world series matches the other WI quicks look more impressive to the naked eye than him

Again Marshall had 100 ODI's with average 23 if you want to use stats

This is just like the Botham bashing when people looking at his overall stats rather than considering how great he was for his first 10 years

And if different era stats meant anything, Greg Chappell had an economy of 4.05 in ODI's...must be one of the best allrounders ever

 

[mr_mister]

I mean Roberts, Holding, Garner and Ambrose all have better averages and ER than Marshall. In fact Ambrose is the one most likely that Marshall could replace... The other 3 are in the top 10 of all time for both categories

 

[h_hurricane]

Holding, Garner and Ambrose are no brainers really. Ambrose's ER is unreal for the era he played.

I would go with the below order of merit considering all aspects like ER, average, longevity, era they played etc.

1.Garner
2.Ambrose
3.Holding
4.Roberts
5.Marshall/Bishop
7.Walsh

Either way, Marshall isn't too far down the order.

So Mr_Mister, you still need to prove why Bevan is a better fit in tests than Marshall in ODIs.

 

[mr_mister]

Simple mathematics really. 29 - 24 = 5

14 - 27 = -13

 

[aussie tragic]

I mean Roberts, Holding, Garner and Ambrose all have better averages and ER than Marshall. In fact Ambrose is the one most likely that Marshall could replace... The other 3 are in the top 10 of all time for both categories

Robert's played only 56 ODI's, Garner 98 and Holding 102, so Marshall's record at 98 ODI's where he averaged 22.87 seems pretty relevant after all

 

[mr_mister]

Roberts 2 x WC winner and a way better WC record than Malcolm

 

[honestbharani]

Simple mathematics really. 29 - 24 = 5

14 - 27 = -13

Except no one is comparing them as allrounders? Simple comprehension, really.

 

[honestbharani]

And obviously Alistair Cook >>>>>>> every Aussie not named Bradman.

 

[aussie tragic]

Roberts 2 x WC winner and a way better WC record than Malcolm

Burgey, have you hacked m_m's account with him thinking WC matches are worth more?