Why no crowd barricades?

[Burgey]

Yeah, remind me of the number of tours Australia has canceled.

I would, but it would remind us all of the number of people on here who called them cowards and said they were over-reacting to threats which weren't real.

We haven't heard many such things said since SL toured Pakistan last year though...

Can't seriously compare what happened in Perth to a terrorist threat. But it's very poor security, and piss poor from the organisers of the game. In virtually every other state of Australia, the penalty for running on the ground is upwards of $5,000.00. Should be at least that imo.

It's also right for a captain to take his team off in that situation imo, wherever the match is being played.

 

[silentstriker]

Hypothetically, if this were to happen to a player, say Sachin Tendulkar (picking someone who was considered one of the best, as Celes was), what would happen? And secondly, do we have to wait for that to happen?

 

[silentstriker]

I am not advocating any specific actions, I am just asking.

 

[Craig]

Hypothetically, if this were to happen to a player, say Sachin Tendulkar (picking someone who was considered one of the best, as Celes was), what would happen? And secondly, do we have to wait for that to happen?

If it were in Australia and SRT got stabbed, then that is different and the person who stabbed SRT would go to jail. Like I said with the Latif incident, if the yokel who tackled him punched Latif and knocked him out or used a weapon then his punishment would be different from when he just tackled him.

I know it sounds ****ed or contradictory, that is how things work in this country. Albert Proud, an AFL player for the Brisbane Lions, glassed two women in a night club and avoided jail. It was when Proud went to smash her with the beer glass that she put her arm up to block the impact that it ricocheted off her arm and into her face. No jail there.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

The Seles stabbing was brought up earlier. My view? We shouldn't wait for it to happen. I don't even want to think of the scale of the backlash if that happened.

 

[Uppercut]

You can't really counter homicidal maniacs pre-emptively when they have no regard for consequences.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Yeah, remind me of the number of tours Australia has canceled.

Somewhat justified though given events that have occurred in different places wouldn't you say?

 

[G.I.Joe]

Somewhat justified though given events that have occurred in different places wouldn't you say?

Not saying it isn't justified. Thats an argument I'm not getting into. Just pointing out that streetwise was being economical with the facts.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Not saying it isn't justified. Thats an argument I'm not getting into. Just pointing out that streetwise was being economical with the facts.

Fair enough.

 

[four_or_six]

The Seles stabbing was brought up earlier. My view? We shouldn't wait for it to happen. I don't even want to think of the scale of the backlash if that happened.

Someone who was obsessed with one of the cricketers and was determined to stab them could easily do it at some point, but you can't keep them 100% protected. You have to respond to the level of the threat.

I don't like the idea of any kind of barricade, but I suppose the thought of putting out barbed wire on the floor is a decent one, it could slow people down enough even if they managed to get across it. But then perhaps if you did that, and you got a maniac, then they would prepare themselves and if they had a weapon they could use it on a security guard.

Edit: It's interesting to note that despite the Seles incident, there are no particularly strong crowd defences at the tennis, they serve alcohol, and there's minimal security compared to the cricket.

 

[Edged&Taken]

operationally how do they implement a life ban at a stadium ? photo id at the gates ? after a year or 2, the guy could slip in and watch a match surrounded by a 20,0000 crowd.

 

[Craig]

I personally would favour a moat with piranhas in it. Would still be more interesting then a T20 game.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Had a good long think about it. Mime technology definitely the way to go. Have you seen how strong those invisible boxes are?

 

[Son Of Coco]

Edit: It's interesting to note that despite the Seles incident, there are no particularly strong crowd defences at the tennis, they serve alcohol, and there's minimal security compared to the cricket.

Totally disagree:

 

[pasag]

operationally how do they implement a life ban at a stadium ? photo id at the gates ? after a year or 2, the guy could slip in and watch a match surrounded by a 20,0000 crowd.

Facial recognition cameras would work well, though might be expensive.

Might get to the stage where you need ID to get in.

 

[Streetwise]

operationally how do they implement a life ban at a stadium ? photo id at the gates ? after a year or 2, the guy could slip in and watch a match surrounded by a 20,0000 crowd.

Might be hard to implement but this guy will have to keep his head low if he does attend the WACA. The last thing he would want is a TV camera pointing out he has disobeyed a judge's order. The fear factor will alone probably stop him ever going back.

 

[Redbacks]

operationally how do they implement a life ban at a stadium ? photo id at the gates ? after a year or 2, the guy could slip in and watch a match surrounded by a 20,0000 crowd.

If you come back in and don't be a **** then it won't matter anyway, there is probably just a big penalty imposed if you enter again.

Operationally perhaps a survey the areas where the majority of the alcohol is consumed and they would find the trouble makers.

 

[Jono]

Edit: It's interesting to note that despite the Seles incident, there are no particularly strong crowd defences at the tennis, they serve alcohol, and there's minimal security compared to the cricket.

YouTube - Federer attacked - CLOSE UP camera angle

Indeed.

 

[pasag]

YouTube - Federer attacked - CLOSE UP camera angle

Indeed.

Wow, have never seen that before. Worst security I've ever seen in this day in age. Did those men in suits run in from another court ffs? Fed should have smacked him on the head with the racquet at 150kmh.

 

[Matt79]

Remember that at the time. Amazing that via the magic of Youtube, it took three linked video clicks to get from a guy sticking a hat on Federer to a soft porn compilation featuring an Italian porn star.

One of those links was via the Seles stabbing aftermath footage. Amazing that it took nearly thirty seconds for any security/officials to go and help the crowd member who had tackled the bloke who stabbed Monica. Looking at it, there was one guy in the crowd who put the guy in a headlock and was trying to get the knife off him, while all the rest of the crowd watched and the security guys work up from their siesta, had an espresso, a quick shave and then went to go help him.