Which team currently has the best fast bowling attack?

[Black_Warrior]

Hmm I think the Indian quicks wouldn't have done much better than the English ones in a 5 test series in Australia. We were good in SA but so were England. At home our quicks are good for about 5 overs while Anderson is unstoppable at home.

A combined attack would probably be Anderson, Bhuvi, Broad/Shami with Woakes potentially in as a bowling AR.

(this is an invitation for someone to bump the would stuart broad make India's XI thread and get GIMH/Furball posting)

Come on that's very harsh. Bhuvi, Shami and Yadav have all bowled some superb spells on Indian/Sri Lankan pitches over the last 2 years or so. Another thing to note here is that some of the conditions India have for their home series leave very little for seamers to do. This is not something English seamers have to face for their home games.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Yadav played cricket against his family's will, he was a laborer otherwise.

Bumrah came up through youth cricket development programs

Bhuvi only started bowling in the 140s after he got selected by India

From the recent U-19 team, Kamlesh Nagarkoti has been coached and groomed since he was a kid, and while I can't find much on Mavi it seems he's been groomed since a youngster as well.

I don't think it has anything to do with the average Indian being fitter/healthier tbh - I think we're just developing fast bowlers better.

No there is certainly a culture of fitness now and I'm talking about the Indian cricket team here and not Indian society. Guys are just fitter than previous generations.

It's not that India never had skillful bowlers before.

Irfan Pathan was excellent for 2 years. He actually used to hit 140+ in 2003 when he made his debut. Then Munaf came along from MRF as well and touted as the fastest bowler in India at that time. These guys fell apart when their bodies gave away.

Shami and Yadav also have had their share of injuries but have not fallen away because they're fitter. This of course has a lot to do with the changes in world cricket. In general current generations are fitter than previous generation. But having guys like Dhoni or Kohli at leadership level also changes things as they have a certain focus on fitness which ultimately sets the culture in the team.

 

[the big bambino]

Or just leave both out as neither is ever fit.

Well yeah I agree. But if someone tries to get a now injury prone Steyn to clinch the comparison then I’m countering with Pattinson. Srsly though I think SA do have the better pace attack.

 

[srbhkshk]

Think SA have the best attack - they can be a force in most conditions.

Australia are the same but just feel like a little lower in quality overall.

NZ third because of Trent Akram.

India / England is the trickiest one, given the poor form of Broad and good form of Bumrah, India probably a better bet as an all conditions unit, but England better when big swing is at work - Although India not much behind with Bhuvi / Shami. Ishant/Umesh/Pandya vs Overton/Stokes/Woakes bit of an headache to work out.

Pakistan at #6, think they'd be #3 if they could actually get the attack a bit sorted and experienced but as of now they mostly suck.

SL #7 because of Lakmal, WI #8.

BD's pace attack far far worse than any of the 8 above.

 

[srbhkshk]

Numbers since start of 2016 -

SA and BD the best and the worst by fair margins.

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo

 

[Daemon]

Come on that's very harsh. Bhuvi, Shami and Yadav have all bowled some superb spells on Indian/Sri Lankan pitches over the last 2 years or so. Another thing to note here is that some of the conditions India have for their home series leave very little for seamers to do. This is not something English seamers have to face for their home games.

Yeah that was hyperbole obv. Yadav especially was very impressive against England. Comfortably outbowled all the English quicks.

 

[Tec15]

Because they haven't played any Tests. In terms of fast bowling attacks (which is what we were talking about) I reckon the first two of those teams probably would be better though. Obviously Bangladesh are much better than all these teams overall but that's not what we're talking about.

The usual ****posting again. Neither of those teams are anywhere near as good and Ireland's pace attack in particular is about to fall of a cliff. The usual "they play county cricket, they must have something" syndrome at work again discounting the vast mediocrities and never will be's that do play county. Zimbabwe's 'fast' bowlers btw (including regular Kolpak player Kyle Jarvis trundling in at gentle 126 km/h) were bowling considerably slower and less accurately than that of the UAE. I'll look forward to posts about how UAE too 'probably' has a better fast bowling attack than Bangladesh and "I strongly believe they would've beaten them in a Test series at home at their peak" (sic).

Anyway, a vast digression from the topic at hand.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Think SA have the best attack - they can be a force in most conditions.

Australia are the same but just feel like a little lower in quality overall.

NZ third because of Trent Akram.

India / England is the trickiest one, given the poor form of Broad and good form of Bumrah, India probably a better bet as an all conditions unit, but England better when big swing is at work - Although India not much behind with Bhuvi / Shami. Ishant/Umesh/Pandya vs Overton/Stokes/Woakes bit of an headache to work out.

Pakistan at #6, think they'd be #3 if they could actually get the attack a bit sorted and experienced but as of now they mostly suck.

SL #7 because of Lakmal, WI #8.

BD's pace attack far far worse than any of the 8 above.

WI pace attack of Roach, Gabriel, Holding, Cummins/Joseph definitely better than Sri Lanka, and probably on par with Pakistan.

They won a test match last year in England and new Roach is bowling well.

 

[morgieb]

WI pace attack of Roach, Gabriel, Holding, Cummins/Joseph definitely better than Sri Lanka, and probably on par with Pakistan.

They won a test match last year and new Roach is bowling well.

Would be a stretch for him to still be bowling fast at 64.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Would be a stretch for him to still be bowling fast at 64.

Probably still the best of them anyway.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Lol sorry I meant Holder

 

[the big bambino]

Vanburn is 72.

 

[SeamUp]

WI pace attack of Roach, Gabriel, Holding, Cummins/Joseph definitely better than Sri Lanka, and probably on par with Pakistan.

They won a test match last year in England and new Roach is bowling well.

As a Pakistan supporter , where even is the Pakistan seam attack ?

Amir, Wahab, Hasan Ali (Abbas, Hamza, Rahat, Raees, Junaid) ?

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Clearly Australia depending on what kind of sandpaper they are using.

 

[Slifer]

Lol too soon....

 

[Flem274*]

in light of recent events i think it's only fair we revoke the wickets of all current australian bowlers from the record books

 

[flibbertyjibber]

in light of recent events i think it's only fair we revoke the wickets of all current australian bowlers from the record books

Starc clearly only better than Boult if sugar or sandpaper is used.

 

[Flem274*]

Starc clearly only better than Boult if sugar or sandpaper is used.

isn't even better with sandpaper tbh.

the most talented bowler in the world needs to resort to ball tampering to still be second to the underappreciated Hazlewood. silly stuff.

 

[Black_Warrior]

As a Pakistan supporter , where even is the Pakistan seam attack ?

Amir, Wahab, Hasan Ali (Abbas, Hamza, Rahat, Raees, Junaid) ?

A top class ODI attack but average in Tests.

Lots of reasons - firstly playing in UAE where there's zero help for seamers hasnt helped.

Junaid was probably the best new and old ball bowler since the 2010 period but his injuries have diminished him by a great deal. Not sure about his Tests prospects anymore.

Hasan is still new in Tests and just hasn't played enough FC. Still needs to figure out his length in Tests.

Amir is well..not the same bowler anymore, has no skills with the old ball and can only swing the new ball in specific helpful conditions. This makes him pretty useless in UAE. He has also played 0 FC games in Pakistan in the last 2 years and just doesn't know how to bowl on flat pitches anymore.

Wahab is probably the best of the lot now but lacks the consistency. No skills with the new ball, best old ball bowler at the moment in the country.

Abbas is new but has shown good skills with the new ball.

The main problem is that since moving to UAE, PCB has changed the pitches used for domestic FC quite a bit. They are mostly green tops plus the quality of balls used are terrible so you're just not getting the same breed of fast bowlers with pace and reverse skills.

Most Pakistani fast bowlers tend to be very wristy. The last lot to show skills with that were Amir and Junaid neither are the same bowler anymore.

So basically it's a pretty average lot now.

 

[TT Boy]

Ngidi does hit the high 140's - 150's... but he is 19 and has not built his stamina and fitness up well enough, which effects his consistency. Not capable yet of bowling a spell of 4 overs at top speed. He is a fantastic find for SA, but has been pushed into the team early for reasons other than cricketing....

Was first selected in 20/20s after dominating the domestic tournament and was selected to play tests after impressing when playing for the national side and dominating domestically. Steyn and Morne were first picked on similar small sample sizes. Ngidi still has a lot to do and fitness is a concern but Steyn and Morne were just as raw and no one questioned their elevation.