Walsh vs Pollock vs. Anderson

[Slifer]

Is it? There are plenty of bowlers that average 2-3 runs higher than Garner but are rated higher than Garner.

I can honestly only think of Lillee. And fwiw:

A. It's debatable
B. Lillee did take a few 10 fors, Garner never did.
C. There aren't "plenty " of bowlers who average 2 runs more that are rated higher. I can only think of Lillee and Steyn honestly and maybe Akram. That's three, not "plenty."

 

[ZK$]

I can honestly only think of Lillee. And fwiw:

A. It's debatable
B. Lillee did take a few 10 fors, Garner never did.
C. There aren't "plenty " of bowlers who average 2 runs more that are rated higher. I can only think of Lillee honestly and maybe Akram. That's two, not "plenty."

Steyn, Imran, Lillee, and Wasim all average around two runs higher and are usually rated higher. I’ve seen Lindwall, Holding, and Waqar rated higher by some people as well, although Garner is rated higher by most people. The point is that I don’t think a two run difference is huge.

 

[Slifer]

Steyn, Imran, Lillee, and Wasim all average around two runs higher and are usually rated higher. I’ve seen Lindwall, Holding, and Waqar rated higher by some people as well, although Garner is rated higher by most people. The point is that I don’t think a two run difference is huge.

Well it's not just the 2 runs either fwiw. Walsh was effective outside WI to a much greater extent than Anderson.

 

[ZK$]

Well it's not just the 2 runs either fwiw. Walsh was effective outside WI to a much greater extent than Anderson.

I rate Walsh higher as well, but it’s not ridiculous to rate Anderson higher if you care about who reached greater heights like subshakerz does. Anderson’s peak over the past nine years has been very similar to Pollock’s peak.

 

[Slifer]

I rate Walsh higher as well, but it’s not ridiculous to rate Anderson higher if you care about who reached greater heights like subshakerz does. Anderson’s peak over the past nine years has been very similar to Pollock’s peak.

Pollock's came in the 90s when teams like WI, Pak, SL, India still had good batting lineups. Needless to say Australia was atg and he understandably struggled vs them.

Anderson has peaked against the rabble that is the current WI and SL. Ditto RSA. India and Australia are certainly (imo) weaker than their 90s era counterparts. But either way, we don't usually judge players on their peaks we judge on their overall output.

 

[Xix2565]

I mean I don't think it's fair to rate most of the teams of that era having good batting lineups or straight up better than their modern incarnations when you consider how bowling friendly that era was, just like this recent period from 2018 onwards which also has the added bonus of deeper attacks overall in more varied conditions across all teams. Not a great argument to use for separating these bowlers.

 

[Slifer]

I mean I don't think it's fair to rate most of the teams of that era having good batting lineups or straight up better than their modern incarnations when you consider how bowling friendly that era was, just like this recent period from 2018 onwards which also has the added bonus of deeper attacks overall in more varied conditions across all teams. Not a great argument to use for separating these bowlers.

Ok Anderson is mediocre outside his home country and Walsh isn't.

 

[Starfighter]

Steyn, Imran, Lillee, and Wasim all average around two runs higher and are usually rated higher. I’ve seen Lindwall, Holding, and Waqar rated higher by some people as well, although Garner is rated higher by most people. The point is that I don’t think a two run difference is huge.

Outside of the cricket nerd community I'd say Waqar and Holding are -usually- rated higher. Garner just isn't ever peoples' minds so much except for his height.

 

[BazBall21]

I voted for Walsh here but yeah re the topic being discussed, I would say Holding is rated slightly but clearly higher than Garner by and large everywhere tbh. By casuals, peers (both players and journalists) and cricket tragics. Lillee and Akram obviously rated higher too.