Using the word "maiden" to describe a runless over

[sledger]

This should no longer be done imo. The word has negative ***ual connotations.

By using it to describe an unspoilt over implies that non-maiden overs are bad, and thus implies that women who have had *** are impure or spoilt.

Dire imo.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

A maiden isn't a runless over. It's an over where no runs are scored off the bat. I guess the word bat could have mother-in-law connotations.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

A maiden isn't a runless over. It's an over where no runs are scored off the bat.

No, it is an over in which the bowler doesn't concede any runs. If there is a wide or no ball it isn't a maiden. If there is a bye or leg bye it still can be.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

6 dot balls

 

[Lillian Thomson]

No, it is an over in which the bowler doesn't concede any runs. If there is a wide or no ball it isn't a maiden. If there is a bye or leg bye it still can be.

That wasn’t the case when the term was coined. Even as recently as Bob Willis’s day No Balls and Wides didn’t count against the bowlers figures.

 

[nightprowler10]

That wasn’t the case when the term was coined. Even as recently as Bob Willis’s day No Balls and Wides didn’t count against the bowlers figures.

I don't know when it was changed but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case when I started watching regularly in the early to mid 90s.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I don't know when it was changed but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case when I started watching regularly in the early to mid 90s.

I specified “Bob Willis’s day”, when it definitely was the case. He retired mid 80’s.

 

[nightprowler10]

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just adding my no-google, memory based, timeline.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

That wasn’t the case when the term was coined. Even as recently as Bob Willis’s day No Balls and Wides didn’t count against the bowlers figures.

That's interesting. Some of those West Indian bowling averages would be quite a lot worse then as they bowled HEAPS of no balls.

 

[Line and Length]

That's interesting. Some of those West Indian bowling averages would be quite a lot worse then as they bowled HEAPS of no balls.

True. I'm sure a number of players bowled more wides/no balls than they took wickets.

 

[Daemon]

That wasn’t the case when the term was coined. Even as recently as Bob Willis’s day No Balls and Wides didn’t count against the bowlers figures.

Wait for real?

I had no idea lol

 

[Victor Ian]

Just more evidence that Anderson is goat.

Rather interesting, actually. I never knew this. It would be an interesting excercise to adjust averages to account for this. Could it equate to more than a run per wicket?

 

[nightprowler10]

What's an interesting question is what drove the culture of being tighter with extras. Efficiency? Or selfishly trying to control individual figures?

 

[Migara]

Just more evidence that Anderson is goat.

Rather interesting, actually. I never knew this. It would be an interesting excercise to adjust averages to account for this. Could it equate to more than a run per wicket?

Calculate the batting vs bowling average difference for the era. You will get a sudden rise in the difference when the change took place and then gradual normalisation.

 

[a massive zebra]

Just more evidence that Anderson is goat.

Rather interesting, actually. I never knew this. It would be an interesting excercise to adjust averages to account for this. Could it equate to more than a run per wicket?

Not on average, but it does for some individual bowlers.

Influence of wides and no balls on Test bowler averages

A stats analysis to determine the effect of wides and no-balls on the bowling averages in Tests

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[Shady Slim]

really vibing that as head honcho of CricketWeeb sledger wanted to make a thread with maiden in the title itbt

 

[Lillian Thomson]

really vibing that as head honcho of CricketWeeb sledger wanted to make a thread with maiden in the title itbt

This thread appeared half an hour before the football kicked off. I just assumed he was drunk.

 

[honestbharani]

This thread appeared half an hour before the football kicked off. I just assumed he was drunk.

Yeah and to be fair, he has a decent point IMO. But we gotta avoid calling maiden triumphs and maiden victories and all other sorts of maiden things...

 

[Daemon]

I think this probably applies here too

Yeah fair enough. You're probably right tbh, I'm just being a knob.

 

[sledger]

I think this probably applies here too

Yeah it does but I am still right here