Tony Cozier slams Lara

[C_C]

C_C - don't make comments about an individual without backing them up with facts, and even then it's not the sort of thing that should be discussed. You put Cricket Web and myself under threat in making baseless comments like that.

I have edited your post.

It is not a baseless allegation- it has been discussed ad-nauseum at Caribbeancricket.com, where several people are in personal contact with West Indies players(present and/or former). The Trinidad Guardian carried an article on it- i am pretty sure bbc also carried an article on it but at 4 in the morning, this will have to suffice.
And i dont see why they should not be discussed- i have not brought it up anywhere else, have i ? This thread and Tony Cozier's article's main thrust is behaviour. Not cricketing accomplishments, tactics or ineptitude but behaviour. And as such, assault is very much a subset of behaviour.
I dont have a problem with Lara but i dont have a problem with Mike Tyson either. You have to realise that in many parts of the world ( and sometimes, in your own 'first world' backyards), not every single crime gets to the stage where someone is charged with it.

 

[marc71178]

Surely an allegation where you cannot provide any evidence at all is baseless.

You made the allegation, were asked for proof and refused to provide it.

 

[Benny2k1]

no witnesses, Not charged, he hasnt admitted it, seems like hardly any one around here new about it except you, no evidence, you just braught it up to try put Sachin in an even better light.

What is funny though, when Sachins Case of ball tampering is braught up you say he was found not guilty or it was biased, then you bring up Laras Accusation which hasnt been proven, there was no witnesses, no biased opinions and no charges but you feel happy to use it against lara but get all defensive when people do the same against sachin?!

 

[C_C]

no witnesses, Not charged, he hasnt admitted it, seems like hardly any one around here new about it except you, no evidence, you just braught it up to try put Sachin in an even better light.

What is funny though, when Sachins Case of ball tampering is braught up you say he was found not guilty or it was biased, then you bring up Laras Accusation which hasnt been proven, there was no witnesses, no biased opinions and no charges but you feel happy to use it against lara but get all defensive when people do the same against sachin?!

She was pretty 'black-n-blue' at the airport and as i said, i am sure a british source carried the story too.
Oh and Lara charged in TT ?!? umm. Not gonna happen. He could shoot someone and it'd still get hushed up.
The difference is Lara got away scot-free with assault while technically speaking Tendulkar didnt tamper with the ball and was subsequently cleared by ICC. In anycase, balltampering pales in comparison to assault in terms of severity of the offence.

 

[C_C]

Surely an allegation where you cannot provide any evidence at all is baseless.

You made the allegation, were asked for proof and refused to provide it.

I suggest you read my second-last post a bit more carefully and click on the link provided.

 

[Benny2k1]

Still not Evidence to prove lara did it, IF he did do it then yes i agree its worse than tampering, But there is no actuall proof he did it, and it cant of been much news because hardly any one new about it!

And Ball tampering proves sachin isnt as much as a role model as you say

 

[C_C]

Still not Evidence to prove lara did it, IF he did do it then yes i agree its worse than tampering, But there is no actuall proof he did it, and it cant of been much news because hardly any one new about it!

And Ball tampering proves sachin isnt as much as a role model as you say

Except Tendulkar DID NOT tamper with the ball ( he cleaned the seam which is not explicitly prohibited by the ICC and the ICC exnonerated him).
What do you mean evidence isnt there to prove Lara did it ? She did lodge an FIR. And as i said, even at CC.com, the fanatic pro-Lara supporters ( many of whom know him personally) dont deny the allegation- they openly admit it and try to say it was her fault for irritating brian too much or something of that sort.
Bottomline is, nobody is perfect but Tendulkar is a role model for how to behave on and off the field while Lara is nowhere close to that class. He's always been a petulant child throwing his toys outta the pram.

 

[marc71178]

So a link to something saying something else is suggesting something is now proof.

Right...

 

[C_C]

So a link to something saying something else is suggesting something is now proof.

Right...

How often have you provided proofs for your claims to continuously demand it from me ?!?
And a link saying something else ?!? Can you read or has all your comprehension skills deserted you in your childish need for one-liner petulance ?
The link claims the same thing i've claimed- Lara beat the stuffing outta his girlfriend and the TT guardian (which is linked through my link) carries the same story.

 

[Anil]

And Ball tampering proves sachin isnt as much as a role model as you say

except he didn't tamper with the ball...

 

[adharcric]

does anyone here seriously believe that lara is a classy guy in terms of conduct or behavior, or are the pro-lara guys just trying to show that sachin isn't much better?

 

[marc71178]

How often have you provided proofs for your claims to continuously demand it from me ?!?

When have you or anyone else ever demanded any proof from me?

Your link is full of ifs and maybes - convenient that and certainly not proof of anything.

 

[C_C]

When have you or anyone else ever demanded any proof from me?

Your link is full of ifs and maybes - convenient that and certainly not proof of anything.

nobody has because nobody is as *nal retentive as you are with 'proofs'. You tend to go after anyone you dont like with a vendetta and yell 'proof proof proof' and then twist the stuff presented so you can take some cheap potshots. And just what is 'ifs and or buts and maybes' about lodging a police complaint and being bruised ? ( TT guardian carried a picture of her too, being black-n-blue but i am sure you will demand proof for that too- too bad TT guardian dont keep pics in their website thats more than a few months old)

 

[roseboy64]

does anyone here seriously believe that lara is a classy guy in terms of conduct or behavior, or are the pro-lara guys just trying to show that sachin isn't much better?

If you read you'll see.

 

[adharcric]

If you read you'll see.

i've read everything .. i'm asking a question about thoughts, not what posts imply

 

[Sanz]

does anyone here seriously believe that lara is a classy guy in terms of conduct or behavior, or are the pro-lara guys just trying to show that sachin isn't much better?

Yes I believe that there isn't much difference between the two in Class whether it is on the field or off of it. And no it's not the pro Lara guys who are trying to show anything..It's just neutral or pro Lara fans trying to protest against the pathetic attitude of Tendulkar Fanatics.

This Lara/Sachin discussion is getting uglier by the day..Everytime someone mentions Lara's name in some positive way, These fanatics will jump out nowhere 'Oh you know what Tendulkar could have done better'. I say - ******** !!

It's becoming more and more like Murali Vs. Warnie discussion, Lara being targetted like Murali by Tendulkar fanatics.

 

[Sanz]

someone like you has no avertion to cooking ***** up just to look for a scrap.

**EDITED BY JAMES**

Yeah - That's why your posts were edited.

 

[adharcric]

Alright well I don't know why Sachin fans think Lara doing well hurts Sachin or vice versa. I've lost a little respect for Lara lately and I'm sure some others have as well, but Tendulkar never came up in my mind despite being a big Sachin fan. The only comparison that arose was one to Dravid, because his class was just gushing while Lara whined gracelessly like a spoilt brat.

 

[Sanz]

And Ball tampering proves sachin isnt as much as a role model as you say

Sachin's Fanatics(I used to be one) will never accept that he tampered with the ball. But that wont change the fact that he tampered with the ball, Only question is whether he did it intentionally or not.

Here is what the cameraman has to say about the issue :-

"He was running his thumb around the seam of the ball earlier in the day when he was fielding at mid off to Javagal Srinath's bowling,...The commentators were talking about how Tendulkar was able to swing the ball both ways and therefore how he was holding the ball. I have the most powerful lens so it is my job to get the tight close-ups to illustrate what the commentators are talking about....While I was doing that we clearly saw him running his thumbnail around the seam several times, like he had been doing earlier. I was surprised he didn't even try to hide it - it was blatant."

http://www.cricketnet.co.za/default.asp?id=35966&des=article&scat=

I am sure everyone is a liar and hs running a conspiracy against Tendulkar to defame him.

 

[honestbharani]

Even though fielder says he's not sure whether he touched the boundary or not ?

which is yet to be confirmed by the fielder involved, BTW.