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The value of Anil Kumble was underestimated

kyear2

kyear2

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weldone said:
So you mean only average in important...
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Strike rate and average are equally important, because as it is preferable that a bowler takes wickets as quickly as possible, it is preferred that he doen't get carted around the park as he does.
 
weldone

weldone

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kyear2 said:
Strike rate and average are equally important, because as it is preferable that a bowler takes wickets as quickly as possible, it is preferred that he doen't get carted around the park as he does.
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Sorry, I tried a bad ( average = strike rate * economy rate / 6 ) joke.
 
Beleg

Beleg

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someone up-thread was going on about macgill being better than kumble - thats absolute bollocks. macgill leaked pressure like a blown gasket. kumble had the ability to induce false strokes through a combination of imposing, combative attitude and sheer, bloody-minded presence. i watched a lot of him growing up and he was always relentless and never gave up. got a lot of wickets because of that. and he also induced false strokes from batsmen against other bowlers. the fact that the fellas on the other end didnt capitalise is another story.

i very rarely remember kumble getting a proper tonking. whereas thats one of the main things i associate with macgill. and he was able to get away with it, to a large extent, owing to the excellence of the bowlers around him.

kumble is hands down the third best spinner of his generation and a class apart from the likes of saqlain, macgill, paul strang, mushtaq ahmed and daniel vettori.

and prince ews,

if the word better, in this context, isnt linked to actual performance then its kind of meaningless isnt it?
 
Cruxdude

Cruxdude

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Beleg said:
someone up-thread was going on about macgill being better than kumble - thats absolute bollocks. macgill leaked pressure like a blown gasket. kumble had the ability to induce false strokes through a combination of imposing, combative attitude and sheer, bloody-minded presence. i watched a lot of him growing up and he was always relentless and never gave up. got a lot of wickets because of that. and he also induced false strokes from batsmen against other bowlers. the fact that the fellas on the other end didnt capitalise is another story.

i very rarely remember kumble getting a proper tonking. whereas thats one of the main things i associate with macgill. and he was able to get away with it, to a large extent, owing to the excellence of the bowlers around him.

kumble is hands down the third best spinner of his generation and a class apart from the likes of saqlain, macgill, paul strang, mushtaq ahmed and daniel vettori.

and prince ews,

if the word better, in this context, isnt linked to actual performance then its kind of meaningless isnt it?
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AWTA. Macgill was no where as good as Kumble.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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Beleg said:
and prince ews,

if the word better, in this context, isnt linked to actual performance then its kind of meaningless isnt it?
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Yeah, it is. Kumble certainly had a better career than MacGill, and history will record him as the superior Test bowler.

My point was - and it's only a hypothetical opinion that can neither be proven nor disproven - I think MacGill would've had the better career if he had the same opportunities. He achieved a higher level of skill with his bowling AFAIC and would've been more effective across a long career than Kumble if he had the chance. I can't really back it up with anything because it's just based upon watching them bowl. I have no qualms with people saying Kumble was better based on him having a better Test career and that's how I like to judge players anyway if we're going for a uniform rule.
 
Beleg

Beleg

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Prince EWS said:
Yeah, it is. Kumble certainly had a better career than MacGill, and history will record him as the superior Test bowler.

My point was - and it's only a hypothetical opinion that can neither be proven nor disproven - I think MacGill would've had the better career if he had the same opportunities. He achieved a higher level of skill with his bowling AFAIC and would've been more effective across a long career than Kumble if he had the chance. I can't really back it up with anything because it's just based upon watching them bowl. I have no qualms with people saying Kumble was better based on him having a better Test career and that's how I like to judge players anyway if we're going for a uniform rule.
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oki, thats fair enough.
 
watson

watson

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I don't know about the comparison with MacGill, but it was really Harbhajan Singh who was the driving force behind the Indian spin-bowling attack.

In other words, Kumble would have been a fraction of the bowler he was, and little more more than a mediocre medium paced leggie without the guile and genius of Harbhajan Singh to carry him along.
 
benchmark00

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Yeah it's unfair to compare MacGill to Kumble because Kumble is nowhere near MacGill's class. An honest toiler is what Kumble was.
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

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watson said:
I don't know about the comparison with MacGill, but it was really Harbhajan Singh who was the driving force behind the Indian spin-bowling attack.

In other words, Kumble would have been a fraction of the bowler he was, and little more more than a mediocre medium paced leggie without the guile and genius of Harbhajan Singh to carry him along.
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...:huh:
 
Ikki

Ikki

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To be honest I put MacGill above Kumble in terms of ability too - obviously, didn't have the same career through no fault of his own. MacGill was an incredible wrist-spinner and got more turn than Warne, even. Was very attacking but lacked the consistency of Warne, so his average would have suffered at the expense of his SR.

Reckon if MacGill were Indian they'd have had a better side with him.
 
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