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The American Politics thread

hendrix

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Yeah, we're all just neo cons in disguise. 8-) You cracked the code mate.

Absolute dirge of a post.
I didn't say you're a neoconservative. I said you attack left wing politicians from a typical neoconservative position, with some pretty consistent neoconservative tropes. blah blah blah socialism blah blah blah marx was evil etc just totally irrelevant stuff.

It is very galling in the case of AOC.

I'm not even a fan but we have to hear this frequent shriek of marxism any time she comes up with some even half progressive opinion. Even when some of them would supposedly align with libertarian values e.g. abolishing US immigration and customs enforcing agencies/or decriminalising immigration and implementing stronger anti-corruption laws across governmental representatives.
 

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
I didn't say you're a neoconservative. I said you attack left wing politicians from a typical neoconservative position, with some pretty consistent neoconservative tropes. blah blah blah socialism blah blah blah marx was evil etc just totally irrelevant stuff.
Yeah, this is a massive walk back from your earlier post, but w/e.

I don't think I've ever used the kind of tropes you're describing regarding with AOC. I mostly think she's a moron. A strong political operator with a good sense of how to communicate with her generation (annoying as her demeanour is), but a moron all the same. A left wing Trump.

I'm not sure in what world you'd expect a Libertarian to be pro the level of government interference required for the GND or the majority of what she proposes. I also think comments like "the world is going to end in 10 years" are stupidly alarmist in the same way "the immigrants are raping all the people" is. Releasing stupid thought bubbles like ending air travel and farting cows, then burying the evidence and blaming it on "right wing conspiracies" is pretty odious as well.

I'm not even a fan but we have to hear this frequent shriek of marxism any time she comes up with some even half progressive opinion. Even when some of them would supposedly align with libertarian values e.g. abolishing US immigration and customs enforcing agencies/or decriminalising immigration and implementing stronger anti-corruption laws across governmental representatives.
I'm not pro open borders though. You're talking essentially about the dissolution of a nation, and we're a long long way from being able to do that. Her proposals around immigration and customs agencies are irresponsible in the extreme. I'm sure improvements to how the system works are possible and I'd certainly approve of mechanisms that make it much easier for people to cross borders and work legally, but in asking to abolish the agencies that enforce border laws she's doing nothing but spewing poorly thought out red meat to her base.

I'm not aware of the anti-corruption laws she's proposed, but sorry, I'm not inclined to take a word she says seriously. She's a moron.
 
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vcs

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I didn't say you're a neoconservative. I said you attack left wing politicians from a typical neoconservative position, with some pretty consistent neoconservative tropes. blah blah blah socialism blah blah blah marx was evil etc just totally irrelevant stuff.

It is very galling in the case of AOC.

I'm not even a fan but we have to hear this frequent shriek of marxism any time she comes up with some even half progressive opinion. Even when some of them would supposedly align with libertarian values e.g. abolishing US immigration and customs enforcing agencies/or decriminalising immigration and implementing stronger anti-corruption laws across governmental representatives.
Not talking about any of the posters here, but

Ben Shapiro : AOC is only a successful politician because of her ethnicity and gender

Also, Ben Shapiro : The left engages in identity politics all the time, why won't AOC debate me?
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Not talking about any of the posters here, but

Ben Shapiro : AOC is only a successful politician because of her ethnicity and gender

Also, Ben Shapiro : The left engages in identity politics all the time, why won't AOC debate me?
I think that is very true of Shapiro. He can be great value but often resorts to everything he accuses the left of.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I didn't say you're a neoconservative. I said you attack left wing politicians from a typical neoconservative position, with some pretty consistent neoconservative tropes. blah blah blah socialism blah blah blah marx was evil etc just totally irrelevant stuff.

It is very galling in the case of AOC.

I'm not even a fan but we have to hear this frequent shriek of marxism any time she comes up with some even half progressive opinion. Even when some of them would supposedly align with libertarian values e.g. abolishing US immigration and customs enforcing agencies/or decriminalising immigration and implementing stronger anti-corruption laws across governmental representatives.
In your head does the **** you spout make sense or are you just trolling?

Aside from the fact she proclaims herself a socialist - in isolation abolishing immigration laws is not a libertarian value. Her take on anti-corruption is theoretically good and yet the video from Congress that went viral was chopped and missing a rebuttal that demonstrated the flaws and gaps in her supposed facts. It doesn’t make her worse than any other politician, but.

Ultimately though, aside from the fact you started with a straw man, calling a Marxist a Marxist isn’t a neocon trope, but I’m not even sure Ausage or I called her out as that anyway?
 

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
Not talking about any of the posters here, but

Ben Shapiro : AOC is only a successful politician because of her ethnicity and gender

Also, Ben Shapiro : The left engages in identity politics all the time, why won't AOC debate me?
Heh. That's not even the attack on a new left wing politician that best exposes Shapiros hypocrisy.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Heh. That's not even the attack on a new left wing politician that best exposes Shapiros hypocrisy.
I don’t think vcs is doing this - so it’s not aimed at him - but it does amuse me when our enlightened lot in here cite Shapiro in the negative in their anti-libertarian waffle, like it’s somehow relevant.

But then what do you expect from people whose default seems to be ‘did Ayn Rand say that lololol’
 

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
I don’t think vcs is doing this - so it’s not aimed at him - but it does amuse me when our enlightened lot in here cite Shapiro in the negative in their anti-libertarian waffle, like it’s somehow relevant.

But then what do you expect from people whose default seems to be ‘did Ayn Rand say that lololol’
I mean, I understand it in a way. It took a while for me to realise he wasn't a libertarian on some of the most important issues.

"The government sucks at everything, except providing military cover for the noble zionist state! Disagree with me and you're an anti Semite."
 

Spark

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I mean, I understand it in a way. It took a while for me to realise he wasn't a libertarian on some of the most important issues.

"The government sucks at everything, except providing military cover for the noble zionist state! Disagree with me and you're an anti Semite."
He's a standard issue conservative, no? And not a conservation, but a really mainline conservative in terms of his actual positions.
 

Dan

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Most self-described libertarians are mainline conservatives tbf*

*Note I am not including Ausage and GIMH in this grouping
 

Spark

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Yeah but there is a distinction between conservatives and conservatarians IMO, even if it's more of emphasis than actual type. I tend to find conservatarians much more focused on rigorous process, more consistently sceptical of executive power, closer to progressives on criminal justice. But again it's more a question of emphasis than significant gaps.
 

Uppercut

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I thought conservatarian was just what you call yourself if you believe in conservative principles but acknowledge how inconsistent with those policies notionally-conservative political parties are.
 

Dan

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I tend to see conservatarians as libertarians so deep into the culture war that they've deferred smashing the state until they've smashed the 'cultural Marxists' (or whatever buzzword you want to throw at AOC supporters and tumblr accounts that may as well not be real people). So libertarian where there aren't lefties to troll, conservative when there are (and using the state against them is convenient/easy).

As with many of these things though, YMMV I suppose.
 

Burgey

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I thought it was someone like Tim Wilson, who wants a small government that’s just large enough for him to have a six figure job in it.
 

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