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Teams that will do well at World Cup 2007

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
R_D said:
One moment the english fan apparently don't give a tosh about ODI's and next moment they are talking there team as the next great thing to happen. I guess all this optimism must have come after chasing that 272 against WI's i assume.
To be fair to SP, he's always had that view.

He's the only one amongst the English fans though...
 

16 tins of Spam

International Vice-Captain
Scaly piscine said:
It is still a case of Ashes >>>>> World Cup and the same goes for over 90% of England supporters according to cricinfo.
That's only because England won last time. When they lose them again the sporting public will revert to not giving a toss about cricket at all.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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16 tins of Spam said:
That's only because England won last time. When they lose them again the sporting public will revert to not giving a toss about cricket at all.
Disagree. England always expects.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
To be fair to SP, he's always had that view.

He's the only one amongst the English fans though...
Lets put it this way, as I have done before.

New Zealand haven't got a hope unless someone knocks Australia out for them.
India bottle it in big games.
Pakistan are in complete disarray but we've seen that before, however they've now got their best bowler and another bowler facing a ban.
SA are a good side but still haven't removed the bottlers tag - we'll see if they come up against Australia in the CT whilst Australia have a really strong team, not that pathetic bowling they pillaged 400odd against.
SL are too weak away from home and are just in a down cycle at the moment, another few years they'll probably become a force again.

So that leaves: England who have the mental strength needed to beat Australia, but not the personnel fit at the moment and West Indies who've come on stronger and quicker than even I imagined. Australia who are the one to beat again - someone has to beat them if they want to win. WI just did it, England did it a year or so ago, the rest haven't beaten a really strong Australian side when it counts for something recently.

People who look at the rankings are wasting their time. Teams change since then, Australia are now much stronger than the past year, if England have their players back they'll be much stronger, WI rise to the big occasion but usually manage to lose otherwise - not a problem for the World Cup.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
16 tins of Spam said:
That's only because England won last time. When they lose them again the sporting public will revert to not giving a toss about cricket at all.
Correct.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
well now that Pakistan wont have Shoaib n Asif they are no longer in my top 3. So for me its Australia, South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka as my main 4. NZ if they get their top order organised could do well and full-strenght England team. Somehow i don't think the Indians will do much damage in the world cup.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Scaly piscine said:
Err I just said they'd do well if they had their first team... At the World Cup there won't be one eye on the Ashes or some other Test series like there usually is, so they'll do better than usual anyway (which isn't that difficult). It only takes 2-3 players to fill in the holes and make the team go from losing most of the time to winning most of the time.

It is still a case of Ashes >>>>> World Cup and the same goes for over 90% of England supporters according to cricinfo.
and their first team includes 2 more rubbish players than the current side. Sounds like making of quite a decent side. Seriously when are people going to stop living off the summer of 2005? one ODI series does not change 3 years of garbage in ODI cricket since the last world cup.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
LOL @ Scaly still thinking England are good.

Yeah 2nd best team in the world hey? What was that about them climbing the rankings after that ODI series against Australia last year?
 

R_D

International Debutant
Scaly piscine said:
Lets put it this way, as I have done before.
So that leaves: England who have the mental strength needed to beat Australia, but not the personnel fit at the moment and West Indies who've come on stronger and quicker than even I imagined. Australia who are the one to beat again - someone has to beat them if they want to win. WI just did it, England did it a year or so ago, the rest haven't beaten a really strong Australian side when it counts for something recently.
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HAHAHAHAHA :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Excellent man keep it up.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Jono said:
LOL @ Scaly still thinking England are good.

Yeah 2nd best team in the world hey? What was that about them climbing the rankings after that ODI series against Australia last year?
I said if they had their players fit, but carry on being an idiot if you like as you have been every time you reply to anything I say.

I said all along about WI even when they were hopeless... at worst they're going to be a defeated semi-finalist in the CT after beating Australia.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Why bring WI in on this? I never said anything about them. That was a good pick of yours though, and I'll give you credit for it...


But then that's completely countered by your belief that England are that good. Look alright, who is missing from their ODI team? I'll give you a Freddy that can bowl.

If you come back with Vaughan and Simon Jones I'll laugh.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
WI is an example of how I backed a rubbish team to come good and they are. (Nothing to do with being an England fan before anyone else says owt about me with backing a *fit* England)

Simon Jones would certainly be a big improvement over Mahmood, I don't care what Simon Jones' record is like, he competed alright with Australia when he was fit against them - the best ODI batting lineup he'll face. England seem to have had at least two players out over the last year in ODIs, Flintoff was obviously completely out of touch when he came back and didn't have his bowling as you said, it was like of having some mickey mouse County Championship batsman there in the CT. England also had Tresco missing, Giles missing.

Whilst some of them may not be huge performers it's not one huge performance that generally wins you games in ODI cricket, it's having guys who can do a decent job from 1 to 11, if you have 10 overs that consistently go for another 15-20 runs than other teams and batting that contributes 15-20 runs less then you're in big trouble because of the nature of ODI games. I've no idea what'll happen with the wicket-keeping for England so that's one weakness that might remain.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
My issue is you're only giving reasons as to why England (with those players back in) should become a competitive ODI team. Almost everyone acknowledges that with the personnel they have, some smarter selection policies and a different attitude should result in England returning to the pack and becoming a competitive ODI team, whilst not being great. People know they should be competitive.

What you're saying however is that with Trescothick, Giles and a Simon Jones (who may not even be able to do half as what he could before) returning to the team by the WC, they're going to suddenly be in the top 3 favourites for the World Cup. Its ludicrous. There's still plenty of issues to solve, like Harmison being crud, players like Yardy and Dalrymple not being sure of their role, where to bat your two best players (KP and Freddy) etc. You don't just solve that by adding in a couple of players who aren't spectacular anyway and then suddenly 5 months later you're a top 3 team.
 
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Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Err I've just given a load of reasons why it's not ludicrous. Here are some more, look at the CT group stages - all teams on 1 win 2 losses or 2 wins 1 loss. WI get completely trounced against SL then WI wins their first two group games and SL are the first team out. Teams go from being rubbish to very good and vice versa in no time once a few individuals come through or get injured, or without even that happening. The anyone but Australia lot are all close together to start with.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Except every team won a meaningful match except England.

England beat a WI team without their best bowler, and if you reckon they brought their A game to that match well youi're kidding yourself.

I guess you can say that about every England ODI though :ph34r:

Look, you don't have to explain the 'pack' theory to me. Its obvious that other than Australia the other major int'l nations are packed together and anyone can beat anyone on any given day. Generally however, England are at the bottom of the pack, and at the least, those inclusions and changes you mentioned will only bring them into the pack and competitive again. Won't make them a force in ODIs, that's for sure.
 

irfan

State Captain
Yep. Agree with Jono here

1. Australia
2. daylight
3. SAf, NZ,Pak, IND, WI, SL
4. ENG
5. BAN
6. ZIM + others
 

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