then the organization's competency standards are pathetic, aren't they? if he is not biased, sydney was a crystal-clear exhibition of his failure to meet the basic standards of being an international umpire....
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Steve Bucknor retires
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duffer
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Being sacrificed to the gods is considered an honour in many ancient cultures. Let's go old school on Stevie.
jks
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-should have happened a long time ago.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
He's no virgin though, considering how many players he's screwed over.
Precambrian
Banned
BCCI complained about poor umpiring. ICC took notice and removed Bucknor. Don't put the chutney on BCCI there.Nothing wrong with complaining. Having a hissy fit and demanding the replacement of an official no-one else has a problem with and who meets said organisation's competancy standards, that's where I and the BCCI differ. Sorry but I'm still not convinced it's purely about his umpiring standards, either. I strongly suspect they think he's just a biased git.
Anyway, it's moot point. Bucknor's gone and so the BCCI will now obviously calm down and be a model of corporate piety from now on.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Yup, there is - 65. Which TBH is probably a few years too old. I'd say 55 would be better.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
That's irrelevant. 99% of the time, people will complain when they are the ones being hard done by. That doesn't make the complaint less valid. Either he was substandard or he was not. If he was, then the complaint was appropriate regardless of other motivations.
Richard
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In which case it begs the question of why you've never tried.
honestbharani
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My gripe with him is not about the decisions.. He seemed to treat certain teams in a very bad manner.. A bit of a Darrell Hair about him when he was umpiring against India. I haven't watched the other teams' games that much, so don't know if it was the same with them too but he struck as someone too pre-occupied with rules and laws and someone who forgets the important part.. "common sense" and also seemed to treat players, at least Indian players on what I have seen, a bit like a school master does a young boy... They are doing a job as much as he is and no one is superior to the other. That is why I think we will be better off without him, just like with Darrell Hair.
Can never forget the way he chastised Parthiv Patel about an appeal... It was a million times better than anything Shane Warne and Gilchrist contrive... And yet Bucknor never did that to them. And he made fun publicly of Dravid and his mints... Again, don' see him doing to that to other players.
Good Riddance indeed. The game will be better without his type of characters as umpires. Everyone gives bad decisions but he gave the impression of being "biased" against some teams and he didn't know how to treat international players... Bye Bye Bucknor...
Can never forget the way he chastised Parthiv Patel about an appeal... It was a million times better than anything Shane Warne and Gilchrist contrive... And yet Bucknor never did that to them. And he made fun publicly of Dravid and his mints... Again, don' see him doing to that to other players.
Good Riddance indeed. The game will be better without his type of characters as umpires. Everyone gives bad decisions but he gave the impression of being "biased" against some teams and he didn't know how to treat international players... Bye Bye Bucknor...
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In fairness, though, Pathiv Patel just looks like someone you wanna smack.
honestbharani
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Richard
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Yeah but he's an Umpire! His Patel antics were unforgiveable, as I say, and likewise his apparent making fun of Dravid.
Precambrian
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Funny how qualified we all here are to comment "Bucknor was very good in the first half of his career". An age when TV itself was not widespread, nor where snickos, hawkeye etc. Plus, there was not even 1% of cricket discussion among public as there is now, or the fan following, and most of his mistakes would have gone unnoticed/forgotten etc.
Wasn't he who gave Jonty Rhodes not out in the first match when TV umpire was introduced? Needless to say, Tendulkar was given out. And Rhodes innings won the match for SA.
Wasn't he who gave Jonty Rhodes not out in the first match when TV umpire was introduced? Needless to say, Tendulkar was given out. And Rhodes innings won the match for SA.
Precambrian
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In fairness? What the **** are you onto?
Richard
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TV has been widespread since the dawn of the 1990s - about the time Bucknor started-out. Since 1990, there have been very, very few games which were not recorded ball-by-ball. And even without pitchmats, snickos, HawkEyes, HotSpots etc. most genuine errors were as obvious as they are now. I'd say you only need any of the above to do anything more than emphasise the obvious in about 10% of cases.
And while online discussion forums were still a decade away in 1990, newspaper coverage was little different now to then - if journos knew there was a mistake made, they villified those responsible. What's more, something that's never changed is a player knows if he's been given caught behind wrongly, and journos talk to players and observe their actions. It's only lbws that there's ever been any true uncertainty about.
There were other ridiculous errors around that time: David Orchard of Graham Thorpe in SA vs England in '95/96; Ken\Roy (I forget which) Palmer of Gooch in England vs Pakistan in 1992; I'm sure there are others that don't come straight to mind. Some Umpires evidently had trouble adjusting.Wasn't he who gave Jonty Rhodes not out in the first match when TV umpire was introduced? Needless to say, Tendulkar was given out. And Rhodes innings won the match for SA.
Precambrian
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Corrected.
Seriously mate, you seem to consider only English TV and Aus TV of that time. In India TV and heck cricket penetration was hardly 10% till ODIs and Tendulkar came along. And we all know us subcontinental people are usually the first to raise all cry about bad umpiring...
Richard
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AFAIK, TV coverage of cricket was widespread through Pakistan as early as the mid-1970s. Certainly I've seen broadcasts hosted from India since the early-1990s, and West Indies too (where Bucknor of course did most of his early Umpiring, given that in those days it was one home Umpire and one international one).
As for ODIs coming along - that happened in India in the mid-1980s, after the WC83 victory. Tendulkar wasn't India's first superstar either, even if he is now easily the biggest. Kapil Dev, for example, was (and remained until the ICL) always a huge drawcard in his own day. Nor was he the only one.
In England and Australia (and I presume New Zealand as well), the 1990s was when TV coverage finally reached the dawn of what you might call modern professionalism. It'd been possible to spot basic Umpiring errors for years before that.
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Mints are never to be made fun of. A blight on the game, as England proved in 05.
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Chalk up two more. Must be getting crowded down there.
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