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Starc v. Wagner

Spark

Spark

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flibbertyjibber said:
How unfit was Pattinson this last month? Was that why Starc played all 4 tests.
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Probably tbh but surely they should have noticed that Starc was totally cooked after Sydney already. He wasn't great there and he only regressed as he got more tired. A shell of a player by the end.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Spark said:
I still think Starc is a pretty good Test bowler and, when not completely cooked, a real asset to this side. But, y'know, it says something that he played one out of the five Tests in England -- the series that they clearly decided to plan down to the letter.
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gee i completely forgot that, and i am/was firmly of the opinion you can't just drop 150kph left arm swing. australia has quality depth but it's not that good. 4th option pattinson isn't the player he was 10 years ago.

starc mentioned before last summer he'd done some work with a coach and credited him for fixing him up. he should probs go find that dude again because starc was goooood.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

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Flem274* said:
gee i completely forgot that, and i am/was firmly of the opinion you can't just drop 150kph left arm swing. australia has quality depth but it's not that good. 4th option pattinson isn't the player he was 10 years ago.

starc mentioned before last summer he'd done some work with a coach and credited him for fixing him up. he should probs go find that dude again because starc was goooood.
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It was Andre Adams. Starc should’ve reached into his coach’s old playbook and brought out the double bouncer when things started going awry.

 
NotMcKenzie

NotMcKenzie

International Debutant
Flem274* said:
gee i completely forgot that, and i am/was firmly of the opinion you can't just drop 150kph left arm swing. australia has quality depth but it's not that good. 4th option pattinson isn't the player he was 10 years ago.

starc mentioned before last summer he'd done some work with a coach and credited him for fixing him up. he should probs go find that dude again because starc was goooood.
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Perhaps he oughtn't. During the Perth test against NZ (or perhaps the Adelaide one against Pakistan, it was a D/Ner), I noticed Starc bowling an outswinger (to the right-hander) and thought it might perhaps be some reverse-swing (or the commentators may have said so). Come the series just concluded, and he was consistantly swinging the new ball out* when he'd always swung it in before. In Sydney, when he finally began to actually bowl well in the final session, I'm pretty sure those also swung out. Whilst he seemed to have trouble landing the yorker for some time before, I doubt that helps. He also seemed to be bowling slower that season and was IMO definitely down on pace this series. So perhaps he fixed he rhythm—which tbf is important—but he seems to have lost venom as a consequence.

*At least in the last two tests; I didn't see most of Melbourne and don't recall enough about Adelaide except that he bowled a lot better there.
 
GoodAreasShane

GoodAreasShane

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Spark said:
I still think Starc is a pretty good Test bowler and, when not completely cooked, a real asset to this side. But, y'know, it says something that he played one out of the five Tests in England -- the series that they clearly decided to plan down to the letter.
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Only tangentally relevant, but it astounds me people still think dropping Starc for Peter Siddle at the Oval was the right call. If it was Patto coming in, sure, but no way in a million years was Siddle the answer
 
Spark

Spark

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GoodAreasShane said:
Only tangentally relevant, but it astounds me people still think dropping Starc for Peter Siddle at the Oval was the right call. If it was Patto coming in, sure, but no way in a million years was Siddle the answer
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That and bowling first probably the difference between 2-2 and 3-1
 
trundler

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The fact that Wagner is the one of the 2 who does not have a match-winner label despite literally winning marches singlefootedly is everything that's wrong with the world.
 
Victor Ian

Victor Ian

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None. Australia were not worthy of the pressure of a final after they told India 'wait till you get to Brisbane' or something like that, and the proceeded to lose against a C team.
 
Spark

Spark

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TheJediBrah said:
Or Lyon fumble. Or ump getting a plumb lbw right. Or an extra review. Or probably 100 other things.

yeah I realise this is a 5 month old post
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Eh I make a distinction between split second errors in skill that can happen to anyone at any time and just flat out bad decisions made with plenty of time to think about it and the obviously correct decision staring you in the face.
 
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