Starc v. Wagner

[honestbharani]

i thought it would be the cricinfo indians to start crying first.

huh?

 

[Bahnz]

Starc is just so destructive when he's on, but Wagner is so multi-faceted in the roles he brings. He really is a captain's dream.

Here are the stats for non-opening "fast"/"seam" bowlers. Wagner is third on the list behind Kallis and Walsh:

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

Wowzers, out of those with 100+ wickets, only young Marshall, Walsh, Garner and Botham have better averages - and of those, only Marshall has a better strike rate. Regardless of the Starc v Wagner debate, the guy is just phenomenal at what he's in the team for.

 

[sphynx]

Wowzers, out of those with 100+ wickets, only young Marshall, Walsh, Garner and Botham have better averages - and of those, only Marshall has a better strike rate. Regardless of the Starc v Wagner debate, the guy is just phenomenal at what he's in the team for.

Are you taking Pat Cummins into consideration here?

As he's been a first change bowler for the majority of his career to date.

 

[Bahnz]

Are you taking Pat Cummins into consideration here?

As he's been a first change bowler for the majority of his career to date.

100+ wickets at first change - Cummins I think has about 70 or 80 in that role. But yeah, check back to my first post in this thread if you want my opinion on Cummins v Wagner at 1st change.

 

[morgieb]

Are you taking Pat Cummins into consideration here?

As he's been a first change bowler for the majority of his career to date.

Doesn't have 100+ wickets as a first change bowler. This will obviously change, but for now he doesn't qualify under Bahnz's criteria.

 

[Bolo.]

Starc is just so destructive when he's on, but Wagner is so multi-faceted in the roles he brings. He really is a captain's dream.

Here are the stats for non-opening "fast"/"seam" bowlers. Wagner is third on the list behind Kallis and Walsh:

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

Amusing to see a batsman topping a list of bowlers, almost 50% ahead of the next guy.

 

[Bahnz]

Time to call this thread too. Imagine being afraid to bowl your new ball specialist when the opposition need 100 to win on the final afternoon.

 

[Gnske]

I can't believe anyone can even debate this in favour of Starc, it's pure watson'ing

 

[Daemon]

On current form Starc is probably the 3rd best left arm quick now behind Wags and Shaheen. Still better than Boult though imo.

 

[Gob]

Starceh

But the gap is narrow now

 

[Spark]

Wagner was ahead before this series started.

 

[Flem274*]

boults current form is non-existent, though the other three quicks in his side and lack of application from the windies in particular have shielded him from the brutal exposure starc has sometimes experienced this summer.

 

[Bahnz]

I mean I guess it comes down to what you prefer in a bowler: someone who’s equally as likely to take 5/40 as he is to get 0/100 off 20, or someone who you can rely on to keep it tight, chisel out old ball wickets and consistently finish with 2/50. I was undecided for the longest time but this summer has kinda made up my mind.

 

[Flem274*]

im a simp for wags but the thing about him is he either gets that 5fer or that tight 2fer. he has the occassional bad spell but i can't remember his last bad series. some big games for wagnerball coming up with the english and indian tours.

 

[Gnske]

Give me an army of Neil Wagners and I'll be Caesar before winter arrives.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Think their last performance sums it up well, Wagner charging in with broken toes giving his all and Starc spraying it and looking perplexed on a day 5 pitch and losing the trust of his captain.

 

[Spark]

I still think Starc is a pretty good Test bowler and, when not completely cooked, a real asset to this side. But, y'know, it says something that he played one out of the five Tests in England -- the series that they clearly decided to plan down to the letter.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I still think Starc is a pretty good Test bowler and, when not completely cooked, a real asset to this side. But, y'know, it says something that he played one out of the five Tests in England -- the series that they clearly decided to plan down to the letter.

How unfit was Pattinson this last month? Was that why Starc played all 4 tests.

 

[Athlai]

If Neil Wagner had half of Starc’s raw ability he’d be the greatest of all time.

 

[Gnske]

How unfit was Pattinson this last month? Was that why Starc played all 4 tests.

He fell off a ****ing tractor or some gobbilty gook prior to boxing day and busted his shoulder IIRC.