Ricky Ponting vs Graeme Pollock

[PlayerComparisons]

Two ATG players of pace

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I saw Ponting dominated pace; I also saw his feathers ruffled against pace.

Ponting it is because of @dawood’s poem.

 

[Johan]

have come to rate Ponting highly, but simply think Graeme Pollock was a more complete player, he has a low sample size but how much he achieved in it speaks for itself.

 

[kyear2]

Punter at a time was being spoken of as possibly the greatest since Bradman.

If he had retired at that point, there would have been an argument, even if a losing one, against the other two who were chronologically just ahead of him.

 

[kyear2]

Ricky Ponting.

 

[subshakerz]

Graeme Pollock but it's touch and go.

 

[DrWolverine]

Graeme Pollock but it's touch and go.

Because you should have a minimum wicket tally to make the comparison between modern ATG bowlers. Comparing Warne with 700 wickets to someone with with less than 300 is insulting. At least to me.

Why doesn’t the same logic apply here?

Graeme Pollock played 23 Tests and scored 2256 runs.

Ricky Ponting played 168 Tests and scored 13378 runs.

 

[subshakerz]

Why doesn’t the same logic apply here?

Graeme Pollock played 23 Tests and scored 2256 runs.

Ricky Ponting played 168 Tests and scored 13378 runs.

You're right. They are in the same weight class I should give preference to Ponting. Switching votes.

 

[DrWolverine]

You're right. They are in the same weight class I should give preference to Ponting. Switching votes.

What do you think is the minimum criteria for ATG batsmen & bowlers? Is it in terms of runs/wickets or years played?

 

[Johan]

Graeme lost a lot to Apartheid and was graceful about it as far as I know, but he was a quality Batsmen deep into his life and into his 40s, he was dominant against Sylvester Clarke and Frank Stephenson on Saffer wickets in 1983 when he was 39, a age by which Ponting had lost his effectiveness and retired. He also destroyed an Australian XI on Saffer wickets 1985-86 when he was in his fourties, including Terry Alderman, Carl Rackermann and Rodney Hogg

 

[DrWolverine]

It’s a shame that cricket fans were deprived of seeing talented cricketers like Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards

 

[subshakerz]

What do you think is the minimum criteria for ATG batsmen & bowlers? Is it in terms of runs/wickets or years played?

Modern bowlers is 300 wickets and a decade.

Modern bats harder to say but longer than a decade. Pollock isn't modern era for me though so there is an allowance for him at seven years.

 

[DrWolverine]

Modern? Post 1970?

 

[subshakerz]

Modern? Post 1970?

Yes. Pollocks intl career was 60s.

 

[DrWolverine]

Don’t you think minimum amount of tests or runs is necessary for batsmen?

 

[subshakerz]

Don’t you think minimum amount of tests or runs is necessary for batsmen?

Yes but earlier eras less cricket was played. Pollock played for seven years and averaged 60 which in moderns terms would be quite a bit more.

 

[kyear2]

What do you think is the minimum criteria for ATG batsmen & bowlers? Is it in terms of runs/wickets or years played?

Quality.

Yes, under regular circumstances there should be some criteria, but we're thinking sentient beings and not all circumstances are the same.

Most realise that.

 

[Johan]

Yes, under regular circumstances there should be some criteria, but we're thinking sentient beings and not all circumstances are the same.

I actually agree with this, the circumstances to which Pollock lost his career were tragic, but from the evidence we have presented, we can clearly see that Pollock was a quality Batsmen for longer than Ponting, and was a great Batsmen even into his late 30s and early 40s.

 

[Johan]

43 year old Graeme Pollock batting.

 

[kyear2]

Still going with Punter, guy was a monster at his peak.