Repercussions

[smash84]

yeah I think he has become like this a bit too much of late. He used to be quite decent earlier on IIRC

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Michael Vaughan has started to match Chappell in the professional troll department.

 

[Top_Cat]

Fair suck, though, there's a lot right about what he says. What's missing is a discussion about not only Australia's weaknesses but whether their strengths would have an impact on India's. For example, having a go at India's young batters is all well and good but, even taking into account the fact Australia would be a tough first Test tour, the style of younger blokes (Sharma, Kohli, Raina, etc.) absolutely matches the short-and-width filth the Aussie attack has been serving up of late so you'd back a cheeky ton or two from one of those blokes.

The bowling's a genuine concern, though. Whether the Aussie bats are good enough to make it count is the question and, as I said, the SL tour will probably give us a lot more to go on as far as who should be in the side/who shouldn't/form.

 

[smash84]

no doubts about the Indian bowling line-up being ****. MSD was doing a great job with limited resources but you could feel an off series coming some time

 

[centurymaker]

Broad would've had him LBW if the umpires had bothered to give him.

that was in the same innings though. he eventually was out LBW.

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Broad would've had him 4 times out of 5 if that lbw had been given.

 

[GotSpin]

Fair suck, though, there's a lot right about what he says. What's missing is a discussion about not only Australia's weaknesses but whether their strengths would have an impact on India's. For example, having a go at India's young batters is all well and good but, even taking into account the fact Australia would be a tough first Test tour, the style of younger blokes (Sharma, Kohli, Raina, etc.) absolutely matches the short-and-width filth the Aussie attack has been serving up of late so you'd back a cheeky ton or two from one of those blokes.

The bowling's a genuine concern, though. Whether the Aussie bats are good enough to make it count is the question and, as I said, the SL tour will probably give us a lot more to go on as far as who should be in the side/who shouldn't/form.

There's so much more cricket to be played between now and our summer that I don't really see the point of this speculation.

 

[Arjun]

Ideal repercussions:

1. Dhoni is relieved of captaincy, to get back a good wicketkeeper-batsman.
2. Marching orders for all of Dhoni's inner cricle, to be replaced by top perfirmers.
3. Marching orders for all age-group players, so that you have a #1 team even with an average age over 30.
4. Marching (GAGX) orders for Sreesanth- what a wart!
5. BCCI appoints an observer to spy on Fletcher and reduce his influence on the side. Fletcher's contract under review.
6. Better still, appoint Ganguly or Dravid or Kumble as assistant coach to do the same, and take over when he's (hopefully quickly) given marching orders.
7. More bowlers who can score runs, so that India plays five bowlers- when India give away over four hundred runs at least once a Test, they're really a man down. India's weak tail-end also must pinch.
8. In the meantime, search for and breed a small pool of all-rounders- the team is now hapless without one.
9. More international caps for Murali Kartik, Amit Mishra, Badrinath, Jaffer, Irfan and Vinay- though not Nehra- players with adequate international (or less) experience.
10. Make it mandatory for seam bowlers to crank up their pace (and help them out), to stay in the side.
11. But still, treat the spinners with respect and encourage them to use their skills to the fullest.

Most importantly, pick a team (and reserves) whom you would expect to find in a World #1 team, and persist with them for a period of five years, and help them when they're out of form.

As for the ageing Sachin-Dravid-Laxman-Zaheer quartet, leave well alone! You need them in your World #1 team!

 

[flibbertyjibber]

You aint number 1 anymore so unless Laxman, Tendulkar and co want to play for England they aint going to play for a number 1 side for quite a while.

 

[smash84]

Ideal repercussions:

1. Dhoni is relieved of captaincy, to get back a good wicketkeeper-batsman.

1. 
   
   You must be kidding dude? Dhoni is the best indian captain of the last 25 years that I have been watching cricket. You must be out of your mind. Ok so India lost one series after a long time but get a grip.

 

[tooextracool]

I do agree with the idea that India need an assistant coach. Someone with a better understanding of the local conditions and nuances of the Indian cricket culture than Fletcher. Let Fletcher do the planning and even the coaching, but they need someone to handle the man-management side of things.

 

[Howe_zat]

Ian Chappell: Have India lost the Australia series already? | Opinion | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

Chappelli scathing. The psyche-out has begun.

My favourite thing about this article is that throughout almost the entire thing, you can swap "India" and "Australia" and it makes precisely as much sense.

That's what getting destroyed by England does to teams. They turn into faceless, nameless husks.

 

[keeper]

I do agree with the idea that India need an assistant coach. Someone with a better understanding of the local conditions and nuances of the Indian cricket culture than Fletcher. Let Fletcher do the planning and even the coaching, but they need someone to handle the man-management side of things.

With England, didn't he address this by using a group of captain plus senior pros to form a players group? Presumably this was supposed to perform at least an element of what you describe. Be interesting to know if something similar has been tried with India. Of course, such an approach can be either inclusive or a clique dependant in personalities. Either way, there has to be some go-between from coach to players.

 

[tooextracool]

With England, didn't he address this by using a group of captain plus senior pros to form a players group? Presumably this was supposed to perform at least an element of what you describe. Be interesting to know if something similar has been tried with India. Of course, such an approach can be either inclusive or a clique dependant in personalities. Either way, there has to be some go-between from coach to players.

He did have an inner circle within the England team and the results of that are there for everyone to see IMO. I'm not a fan of forming cliques and circles because it is discriminatory and who is to say that a fresh face has ideas that are any less meaningful than someone with half a decade of experience. All should be treated equally if you ask me, with the exception of the captain of course.

I'd like to think that bringing in someone without much of an ego that is well respected within the Indian camp like Kumble would be great to use as a spokesman. Not to mention that he would be able to provide Fletcher with some much needed insight on local conditions and help coach the next generation of Indian spinners. Not sure whether that would clash with his current obligations as president of KSCA but its realistically the only way that this whole Fletcher coaching India business is likely to work.

 

[Sanz]

I do agree with the idea that India need an assistant coach. Someone with a better understanding of the local conditions and nuances of the Indian cricket culture than Fletcher. Let Fletcher do the planning and even the coaching, but they need someone to handle the man-management side of things.

India did not lose the series because of Fletcher. Fletcher hardly got to spent anytime with the team.

 

[tooextracool]

India did not lose the series because of Fletcher. Fletcher hardly got to spent anytime with the team.

I never said that, in fact I have argued pretty much along the same lines as your statement above. That doesn't necessarily mean that I think he is the ideal person to be the coach for India, but I do believe that he needs a capable wing-man in order to be effective as coach.

 

[Top_Cat]

There's so much more cricket to be played between now and our summer that I don't really see the point of this speculation.

Feel free to not speculate then.

 

[GotSpin]

That'd be a bit boring though.

If Ponting has a good series in Sri Lanka im calling a 4-0 whitewash in our favour

 

[Top_Cat]

Calling 5-0 after the BCCI demand "Best 3 out of 5!" after they lose the first 2 Tests.

 

[centurymaker]

That'd be a bit boring though.

If Ponting has a good series in Sri Lanka im calling a 4-0 whitewash in our favour

nah he'll gun it in srilanka against their medium pacers. the 2 tests against southfrica will be a better indicator.

 

[Burgey]

nah he'll gun it in srilanka against their medium pacers. the 2 tests against southfrica will be a better indicator.

TBF, even if he fails against SA, he won't face anything like their attack against India (especially if Zaheer is either out or restricted).

Nice to hypothesise over all this though. It will be an interesting series. Our problems haven't dissolved over the winter, and India's have really only just been exposed.

Interesting times.