remember ian bell?

[Prince EWS]

i looked up jamie dalrymple just now because i couldnt remember anything about him except that catch in the commonwealth bank series.

not quite sure how he got 27 games for england tbh he wasn't very good even at county level.

He seemed really Grant Elliottish in style -- that's what they were going for I think as he was a good manouverer of the ball during the middle overs, and in an era where they didn't have a threatening spinner he did a surprisingly good job keeping the runs down even when he was attacked (for a batsman playing as an allrounder, anyway).

For someone who was meant to be selected as some sort of fifty over cricket master though he never actually scored any runs in domestic fifty over cricket, and then unsurprisingly didn't score any for England either despite looking like he might.

He was a bit of a fraud. Style over substance even though the style was less eye-catching than the players you'd usually associate with that sort of thing, as they thought he could be their middle overs accumulator. Too clever by half is a common expression but Dalrymple's selection with more like two clever by three.

Confession: I backed him at the time. It was the classic overthought PEWS mid 2000s selection that I loved.

 

[Flem274*]

from jamie dalrymple to jos buttler. change is the only constant.

ed joyce was running around in that era too and despite not really being suited to the increasingly fast scoring of odis, he did a good job. still surprised he never got a test match ahead of some of their other spuds.

they selected michael vaughan for odis back then lol that team winning the commonwealth bank series has to be one of the most underrated underdog performances in odi history. they were up against the best odi side of all time and a very strong nz team.

 

[morgieb]

from jamie dalrymple to jos buttler. change is the only constant.

ed joyce was running around in that era too and despite not really being suited to the increasingly fast scoring of odis, he did a good job. still surprised he never got a test match ahead of some of their other spuds.

they selected michael vaughan for odis back then lol that team winning the commonwealth bank series has to be one of the most underrated underdog performances in odi history. they were up against the best odi side of all time and a very strong nz team.

Yeah I find it surprising Joyce never got a look-in at Test level. I guess though at his best England's middle order was actually pretty solid and by the time spots started to open up he'd had 100% thrown his lot in with Ireland.

EDIT: Seems also he had a mini-slump at the wrong time.

 

[Spikey]

what was the deal with vaughan moving down the order

 

[Prince EWS]

what was the deal with vaughan moving down the order

Too many openers. What a different world we live in now.

 

[GIMH]

Our ODI selection in the year up to the 07 WC was bonkers

 

[ImpatientLime]

from jamie dalrymple to jos buttler. change is the only constant.

ed joyce was running around in that era too and despite not really being suited to the increasingly fast scoring of odis, he did a good job. still surprised he never got a test match ahead of some of their other spuds.

they selected michael vaughan for odis back then lol that team winning the commonwealth bank series has to be one of the most underrated underdog performances in odi history. they were up against the best odi side of all time and a very strong nz team.

pre 2015 renaissance, paul collingwoods efforts in that series might be the greatest ever seen by an english player in odis. outrageously good batting.

 

[Spark]

hmm I agree. Assuming you're getting the same results/average etc. then the player getting caught in the ring more often is probably "better" (or at least more talented) than the one getting bowled and caught behind more often. In the end it's all equal though when you're out, you're out and doesn't really matter how.

It would probably be a sign that the guy getting caught in the ring a lot wasn't playing to his potential and should have been better than the guy getting bowled but wasn't because he didn't play as smart.

I mean it doesn't actually matter, but you can't tell me that you aren't more infuriated than your run-of-the-mill caught behind or LBW by a limp, half-hearted poke in the air to point, or an ill-tempered waft outside off stump to 3rd slip, or this:

Ojha to Bell, OUT, and out goes Ian Bell. Did he spend the last 50 minutes thinking he is going to dance down the wicket first ball and go over mid-off? Sure felt like that. First ball, turning wicket, he wants to beat the sinners off their rhythm. Doesn't quite get to the pitch of it, the ball doesn't bounce as high as he expects, and it goes off the bottom part for easy catch to mid-off. Imploding, are England

EDIT: Travis Head at Perth last summer is another good example. Objectively there's no reason to be more annoyed getting out twice flaying it down to 3rd man than, say, caught behind. But Christ it was ****ing annoying.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I mean it doesn't actually matter, but you can't tell me that you aren't more infuriated than your run-of-the-mill caught behind or LBW by a limp, half-hearted poke in the air to point, or an ill-tempered waft outside off stump to 3rd slip, or this:



EDIT: Travis Head at Perth last summer is another good example. Objectively there's no reason to be more annoyed getting out twice flaying it down to 3rd man than, say, caught behind. But Christ it was ****ing annoying.

Yeah I was just looking for something to say to pass the time

 

[trundler]

Yeah I was just looking for something to say to pass the time

And that is how I pile up 20 posts of nonsense every day

 

[NZTailender]

I feel like Bell was part of a slightly lost generation of England talent, still with that 90s English approach to the game. If he'd been born ten years later he might've had a vastly better career. Kind of similar to the lost generation of NZ cricketers due to biometrics.

 

[_Ed_]

I mean it doesn't actually matter, but you can't tell me that you aren't more infuriated than your run-of-the-mill caught behind or LBW by a limp, half-hearted poke in the air to point, or an ill-tempered waft outside off stump to 3rd slip, or this:



EDIT: Travis Head at Perth last summer is another good example. Objectively there's no reason to be more annoyed getting out twice flaying it down to 3rd man than, say, caught behind. But Christ it was ****ing annoying.

"He wants to beat the sinners off their rhythm" sounds kind of evangelical.

 

[NZTailender]

He seemed really Grant Elliottish in style -- that's what they were going for I think as he was a good manouverer of the ball during the middle overs, and in an era where they didn't have a threatening spinner he did a surprisingly good job keeping the runs down even when he was attacked (for a batsman playing as an allrounder, anyway).

For someone who was meant to be selected as some sort of fifty over cricket master though he never actually scored any runs in domestic fifty over cricket, and then unsurprisingly didn't score any for England either despite looking like he might.

He was a bit of a fraud. Style over substance even though the style was less eye-catching than the players you'd usually associate with that sort of thing, as they thought he could be their middle overs accumulator. Too clever by half is a common expression but Dalrymple's selection with more like two clever by three.

Confession: I backed him at the time. It was the classic overthought PEWS mid 2000s selection that I loved.

I backed him at the time purely because of him being gun in my Inernational Cricket Captain game. I managed to get him and Michael Yardy into the same side and they pulled off numerous clutch performances for me in FC and OD matches.

 

[jcas0167]

Yeah I find it surprising Joyce never got a look-in at Test level. I guess though at his best England's middle order was actually pretty solid and by the time spots started to open up he'd had 100% thrown his lot in with Ireland.

EDIT: Seems also he had a mini-slump at the wrong time.

It always annoyed me in that 06/07 series where England lost 5-0 that they didn't try Joyce at number 6 and move Flintoff down to 7.

 

[Dan]

I backed him at the time purely because of him being gun in my Inernational Cricket Captain game. I managed to get him and Michael Yardy into the same side and they pulled off numerous clutch performances for me in FC and OD matches.

 

[marc71178]

Yes, scored a mass of runs last year then got injured in the winter and just got injured again during his comeback for the seconds, although this is only a minor injury I believe.

Spoke too soon - ruled out for the season.

 

[ImpatientLime]

382 (404) 0 x 6s

classic icc ****e

 

[Bijed]

With the current and many recent displays by England in tests, I'm starting to think Bell is unlucky that he will probably always be personally remembered for bottling it under pressure, when it's almost the defining characteristic of the the whole team these days

 

[nightprowler10]

Bellie was such a ****e nickname, even by cricket standards

Yeah, Sherminator was much better.

 

[91Jmay]

The Duke of Bellington was also **** nickname.

He was a pretty good player. Had an ATG series once, career highlight probably a belting ton in Durban when we murdered them. Took Steyn/Ntini/Harris to pieces.