Ravindra Jadeja vs Ravichandran Ashwin - Better test cricketer

[subshakerz]

I am not sure how both are even comparable in bowling. There was a good gap between these two.

Ahswin pretty much based on his bowling got MOS every 3 series he played. Fans can talk about conditions in India, SL, WI etc helping him but Jadeja was with the team at the same time.

What is Ashwins big advantage in terms of record over Jadeja except just more volume of wickets?

 

[Randomfan]

What is Ashwins big advantage in terms of record over Jadeja except just more volume of wickets?

I just listed outsized impact of Ahswin in test series he played while bowling.

I have watched both of them plenty of times. I always felt that Indian selctors made a mistake by not giving Ashwin the same treatment as Lyon. Just play him in all tests. I suspect, we wouldm't be having this discussion then. Ashwin was just far more skillful.

 

[subshakerz]

I just listed outsized impact of Ahswin in test series he played while bowling.

I have watched both of them plenty of times. I always felt that Indian selctors made a mistake by not giving Ashwin the same treatment as Lyon. Just play him in all tests. I suspect, we wouldm't be having this discussion then. Ashwin was just far more skillful.

No doubt Ashwin was more skillful but not more more effective

 

[ma1978]

You're right. Jadeja is better than Ashwin. Ashwin isn't that much better of a spinner.

wrong.

 

[Randomfan]

No doubt Ashwin was more skillful but not more more effective

In my opion, ability ot run through sides and being the most valuable player in 1 out of every 3 series counts as being more effective.

Just look at 5-fers difference,




Jadeja may have played more away than Ashwin as percentage so here is just at home,



I am sharing what I think is tangible results, but I have watched both of them bowl plenty of times. I have no doubt that Ashwin was a better test bowler. I personally thought that Indian selectors were brain dead to not give Ahswin same treatment as Lyon. Not example same, but now I would have played Kuldeep more often.

 

[DrWolverine]

In India? Ashwin
Overseas? Jadeja.

Ashwin is practically useless in SENA.

 

[Randomfan]

I think Yadav has ability to run through sides as well and win games, but for some reason Indian selectors don't want to play best spinner. You can always play 3 best bowlers even if they are not good with bat. It's seems brain dead to me to not play your best 3 bowlers any time you form an XI. Ashwin should have been default choice in every single test if he was available.

Just look at record, Kuldeep has played only 13 tests. Limited chance he has gotten, he has done very well and yet he can't find a place in XI. You may say that there is not much difference between Jadeja and Kuldeep, but based on what I have seen Kuldeep is far more skillful bowler and just looking at avg of 22-24 and stating that output is same will miss the point.

 

[Randomfan]

In India? Ashwin
Overseas? Jadeja.

Ashwin is practically useless in SENA.

I would say , he was useless in SA and Aus.

 

[Randomfan]

Also, all pitches in different tours are not same. For example, Eng will magically produce green mamba vs dry pitch depending on opposition attack. I suspect bowlers like Ahswin/Yadav would have done more than fine in dry pitches we are seeing in Eng this time. No Bumrah, and pitches would have magically turned Green Mamba. Eng used to do the same during Steyn era. Steyn used to get different pitch than SC teams.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Kuldeep > Ashwin > Jadeja as bowlers

 

[Johan]

Also, all pitches in different tours are not same. For example, Eng will magically produce green mamba vs dry pitch depending on opposition attack. I suspect bowlers like Ahswin/Yadav would have done more than fine in dry pitches we are seeing in Eng this time. No Bumrah, and pitches would have magically turned Green Mamba. Eng used to do the same during Steyn era. Steyn used to get different pitch than SC teams.

The pitches are dry because it's the hottest summer in England since forever. The English team specifically asked for faster, livelier and more moving wickets but they literally can't make it right now. By your theory, Edgbaston should've been a green mamba as Bumrah didn't play but was a road, and Bumrah was going to play at Lord's but it turned out to be the spiciest pitch in the series so far by miles.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Also, all pitches in different tours are not same. For example, Eng will magically produce green mamba vs dry pitch depending on opposition attack. I suspect bowlers like Ahswin/Yadav would have done more than fine in dry pitches we are seeing in Eng this time. No Bumrah, and pitches would have magically turned Green Mamba. Eng used to do the same during Steyn era. Steyn used to get different pitch than SC teams.

I don’t think this is true anymore. They are almost always flat in Eng these days regardless of the opposition bowlers. Pitches in England have the second highest runs per wicket after Sri Lanka since the start of the 2023.

 

[Randomfan]

I don’t think this is true anymore. They are almost always flat in Eng these days regardless of the opposition bowlers. Pitches in England have the second highest runs per wicket after Sri Lanka since the start of the 2023.

Yah, good point. After Bazball, I guess that's the way Eng pitches will be no matter who is playing. It may be nothing to do with Bumrah as @Johan pointed out.

 

[ma1978]

What is Ashwins big advantage in terms of record over Jadeja except just more volume of wickets?

do you watch cricket or just pontificate over stats

whenever they bowled together it was patently obvious who the better bowler and leader of the attack was

 

[ma1978]

Kuldeep > Ashwin > Jadeja as bowlers

lol

 

[Coronis]

4 5’fers against 4 different teams in 3 different countries in 13 tests is pretty impressive

 

[subshakerz]

do you watch cricket or just pontificate over stats

whenever they bowled together it was patently obvious who the better bowler and leader of the attack was

Again I am not saying Jadela is a better bowler. I'm saying the gap isn't that big because overseas they are roughly equally effective.

 

[DrWolverine]

In away conditions, both are not good bowlers.
At least Jadeja can bat and is a much better fielder.

 

[Rob Wesley]

Jadeja is better because he is more effective overseas than Ashwin as a cricketer.

Can any Ashwin fan post his stats with bat and bowl both in SENA? It is pretty poor with bat in SENA for sure.

Also, Ashwin’s away stats are highly inflated via WI and SL bashing. Jadeja did well against them too but it’s just that Ashwin was more dominant vs mediocre teams like WI and SL and at home as well.

 

[Johan]

Jadeja is better because he is more effective overseas than Ashwin as a cricketer.

Can any Ashwin fan post his stats with bat and bowl both in SENA? It is pretty poor with bat in SENA for sure.

Also, Ashwin’s away stats are highly inflated via WI and SL bashing. Jadeja did well against them too but it’s just that Ashwin was more dominant vs mediocre teams like WI and SL and at home as well.

Not an Ashwin fan, classy Cricketer, classless person but here are the numbers for both in SENA.

Ravichandran Ashwin

Bat: 26 matches, 51 innings, 883 runs @ 20.06, 2 fifties and no hundreds.
Bowl: 26 matches, 44 innings, 72 wickets @ 39.55, 84 strike rate, no fifers or tenfers.

Ravindra Jadeja

Bat: 27 matches, 47 innings, 1,394 runs @ 34.85, 10 fifties and 1 hundred.
Bowl: 27 matches, 45 innings, 59 wickets @ 42.11, 90 strike rate, 1 fifer and no tenfers.