silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Just because some people got away doesn't mean anything in regards to Hansie.
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Rate Cronje's captaincy
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silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Oh, and Hansie himself protected some players. During the King commission, he wouldn't disclose who were the other players who were in a meeting in Mumbai who considered the offer from MK Gupta.
You seem to think our reaction is not warranted. And my issue is that this reaction is warranted regardless of who got away. That doesn't mean our reaction to him should be any different.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Nope. And I'm not satisfied now. But that doesn't mean that termite wasn't responsible for some of the damage. And I want to get rid of him just the same.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Well, this thread is asking about him......
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
And match fixing cannot be removed from it.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Well, you disagree with it, that's fine. To me, losing matches on purpose and convincing others on your team to do the same is just abusing his authority as a captain to the utmost, let alone all the things you pledge to uphold about the game as a captain, and therefore very relevant to his overall rating.
And the fact that when you pick captains, you would pick a guy who fixed matches last. So on that basis alone, he's a pretty bad captain.
And the fact that when you pick captains, you would pick a guy who fixed matches last. So on that basis alone, he's a pretty bad captain.
Actually, match-fixing aside, I think he was quite overrated. He was too tactically rigid for mine (although not as much as say, Pollock), which could have come from relying on Bob Woolmer and the computer analysts kicking around a touch too much. He just didn't have that command of intuition, or 'gut feeling', that his Australian contemporary (Mark Taylor) had - which is probably why South Africa were never able to really beat Australia.
I have to dock a point for match-fixing, so 2 stars.
I have to dock a point for match-fixing, so 2 stars.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Azhar did say that he was singled out because he happened to be a 'Muslim' .
Redbacks
International Captain
looking at what people voted for in the poll, apparently not!
BoyBrumby
Englishman
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
You know, I get the distinct impression that the OP wasn't really concerned about Hansie's match-fixing crap, and wanted people to give an objective appraisal of his tactical skills.
Oh well. You tried.
Oh well. You tried.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
He did overcome Aussies with the odi team. RSA was the best odi team for a period.
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Days of Grace
International Captain
What is the best book out there about Cronje and the match-fixing controversy?
Uppercut
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Haha, it's a bit of a silly question though.You know, I get the distinct impression that the OP wasn't really concerned about Hansie's match-fixing crap, and wanted people to give an objective appraisal of his tactical skills.
Oh well. You tried.
"Leaving aside the fact that he was secretly trying to make his team lose matches, how good was he at helping his team win matches?"
BoyBrumby
Englishman
TBF talking about Cronje's captancy without reference to the match fixing is rather like attempting to discuss Colonel Sanders's culinary abilities without mentioning deep fried chicken.You know, I get the distinct impression that the OP wasn't really concerned about Hansie's match-fixing crap, and wanted people to give an objective appraisal of his tactical skills.
Oh well. You tried.
Choked spectacularly when it mattered most tho.
Pratters
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Yeah but they were undeniably the best OD side in the world for 2-3 years beating Australia more than Australia beat them during the period.
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Aus beat them home and away in OD series' regularly. Only in series' outside SA/Aus did SA have the upper-hand. Plus, Aus way ahead in finals of most tournaments against each other.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Combined all games, RSA were ahead. I am pretty sure of that. Can't bring that stat up though.
Aus beat them home and away in OD series' regularly. Only in series' outside SA/Aus did SA have the upper-hand. Plus, Aus way ahead in finals of most tournaments against each other.