Par oneday Batting strike rates and Bowling economy rates?? ....

[Richard]

Making real life Cricket out-dated as well then.

No, not at all.

 

[tooextracool]

Stop going-on about the '80s - of course things have changed from the '80s and '70s where 4-an-over was a maximum for a good bowler.
The significant date is about 1990-1992 sort of time, from on which anything under 4-an-over has been outstanding.

the significant date is from 94 onwards, not 90-92, when most teams still had no clue as to what overs they should begin slogging.

 

[Richard]

What happened in 1994, then?

 

[tooextracool]

They certainly won't find poor bowling much more difficult to score off.

and thats assuming that the bowler was bowling as well as he was bowling before the wicket fell. it will score the RR.

 

[tooextracool]

What happened in 1994, then?

teams started to get better at it? probably 96 when every team(bar england)knew how to actually play ODI cricket at its best.

 

[Richard]

and thats assuming that the bowler was bowling as well as he was bowling before the wicket fell. it will score the RR.

Exactly - bowlers often bowl better after taking a wicket than they were before.

 

[Richard]

teams started to get better at it? probably 96 when every team(bar england)knew how to actually play ODI cricket at its best.

So stop mentioning the 1980s.
All that matters is these sort of dates (let's say mid-90s for posterity).

 

[tooextracool]

no they bowl JUST AS WELL as THEY were bowling before.

 

[marc71178]

No, not at all.

Why?

This so called "out dated" thing happens all round the world in countless games.

 

[Richard]

No, you just assume it does because it used to.
And you don't look at the fact that things have changed.

 

[Richard]

no they bowl JUST AS WELL as THEY were bowling before.

Well - that's as maybe.
The thing that matters is that par-economy-rates are different now from how they used to be in the 1970s and 1980s.
They're not different to how they used to be in 1995 or so.

 

[Fiery]

Nope - that's an outdated theorem.
The only way to cut the scoring-rate is to bowl more accurately than you have been.
Of course, taking wickets can help galvanise the bowlers and up the confidence.
Obviously, of course, the reverse applies, big-time - slowing the run-rate will massively improve your chances of taking wickets.

You really do talk through a hole in your ass sometimes Richard. Why do you bother to come up with these theories and waste everyone's time. Have you ever thought that the longer a batsman has been in the easier it is for them to score?

 

[Scaly piscine]

You really do talk through a hole in your ass sometimes Richard. Why do you bother to come up with these theories and waste everyone's time. Have you ever thought that the longer a batsman has been in the easier it is for them to score?

He also reckons an ODI team packed full of accurate 65-70 mph bowlers would teach Australia a cricketing lesson...

 

[marc71178]

No, you just assume it does because it used to.

So sides who lose wickets no longer experience a drop in run rate then?

In which universe is this?

 

[Richard]

You really do talk through a hole in your ass sometimes Richard. Why do you bother to come up with these theories and waste everyone's time. Have you ever thought that the longer a batsman has been in the easier it is for them to score?

Err - why?
It takes a matter of minutes to adjust to the light, a matter of deliveries to pick-up the pace and bounce of the pitch, and that's all you need to do.
Honestly, it truly astounds me sometimes that people just don't seem to notice how often batsmen come in and immidiately find the middle of the bat.
Of course they don't if the bowling's good an accurate, but if it's being sprayed all over everywhere, most start with a bang.

 

[Richard]

He also reckons an ODI team packed full of accurate 65-70 mph bowlers would teach Australia a cricketing lesson...

Rubbish, 65-70 is no pace to be bowling at.
The best pace to bowl at is 75-80.
And yes, if you bowl with that sort of accuracy (presuming the 'keeper's got the sense to stand-up) you'll cut Australia's batting down to size every time.

 

[Richard]

So sides who lose wickets no longer experience a drop in run rate then?

In which universe is this?

It depends - of course if you lose 4 or 5 wickets in the first 40 overs you've got to change your attitude but taking 1 wicket or even 2 doesn't in itself slow the scoring-rate - the only way to do that is by bowling more accurately than you've been doing previously.

 

[marc71178]

Err - why?
It takes a matter of minutes to adjust to the light, a matter of deliveries to pick-up the pace and bounce of the pitch, and that's all you need to do.

If it were that easy how come you're not currently playing for England (!)

 

[marc71178]

taking 1 wicket or even 2 doesn't in itself slow the scoring-rate

And you can say that by ignoring the fact that it happens so often in the game?

 

[Blaze]

Nope - that's an outdated theorem.
The only way to cut the scoring-rate is to bowl more accurately than you have been.
Of course, taking wickets can help galvanise the bowlers and up the confidence.
Obviously, of course, the reverse applies, big-time - slowing the run-rate will massively improve your chances of taking wickets.

If you honestly think that then you are an idiot.

Say hyperthetically if a team is 145/5 in a ODI after say 33 overs or so. Then the fielding side takes a wicket and the score changes to 145/6. The batting sides attitude and mentality then changes as they have to revise their tactics and set a lower target score than they had in mind originally due to the lack of wickets in hand and therefore they will be looking for less runs off each over all due to the fact that a wicket has fallen . The run rate will drop accordingly as the batsman are more cautious to keep wickets in hand. They will probably be looking at about 3-4 runs an over for the next 7 overs.

If they hadn't lost their sixth wicket then they would probably be setting a target of 4-5 runs an over for the next 7 overs.

The run rate drops when a wicket is taken because not only does the new batsman have to get his eye in, the targets the team sets will change according to the situation