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*Official * Pakistan vs New Zealand 2023
- Thread starter G. S. Kohli
- Start date
ashley bach
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Shippy!
trundler
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300 is almost impossible when they top order collapses so spectacularly. Good fifties from #s 5 and 6 though. Would've liked them to finish it off but they'll learn from this. Good consolation win.
We seem to have the 2019 India problem of having a top order that generally dominates but still starts slowly enough that it cripples the rest of the innings when it collapses. I don't get why Imam was rested though.
Lame finish. Just needed one of 7-9 to hang in there with Iftikhar. Well played NZ.
Iftikhar must've secured his place for the WC. Unsure about Rizzwan at 4 but it could work.
We seem to have the 2019 India problem of having a top order that generally dominates but still starts slowly enough that it cripples the rest of the innings when it collapses. I don't get why Imam was rested though.
Lame finish. Just needed one of 7-9 to hang in there with Iftikhar. Well played NZ.
Iftikhar must've secured his place for the WC. Unsure about Rizzwan at 4 but it could work.
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Moss
International Vice-Captain
Yeah great to see him enjoy some success, but he and Milne will probably be in the reserves. Will need a max of 4 pace bowlers for India, those slots will likely go to Henry, Southee, Ferguson and Boult.
If Milne stays fit I don’t mind him displacing Ferguson (or Southee, but that won’t happen), he bowled with real pace and got better as the tour went on.
thierry henry
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I know "if you can't bat, just BazBall" is a thing, but I still say that no top order option is worse than Allen when it comes to ability to keep out decent bowling.
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Oh yeah, Young over Allen for me also. Not sold on the latter at all in ODIs. Just persist with Mitchell at 3 for now.
Prince EWS
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He had a chance to put himself in the argument for a starting spot and he's blown that but I think he'll be in the squad anyway. Santner and Macewell will both be in the first eleven so he'll be one of the four backups in the 15 IMO.
Prince EWS
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Weakness.
Athlai
Not Terrible
I mean more in the sense, people haven't fully accepted Latham is good at ODIs. Cos its been just 2 years of jam
Flem274*
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we just haven't played many odis full stop against top 8 sides since the 2019 wc, so latham bombing it is still fresh in our minds.
those lack of games also mean we don't really know our best eleven. we probably have a fair idea now, but we have far less info and depth than the run in to 2015.
those lack of games also mean we don't really know our best eleven. we probably have a fair idea now, but we have far less info and depth than the run in to 2015.
Moss
International Vice-Captain
Neesham too, I've generally been a supporter but for a senior player the performances have really tailed off. Didn't take opportunities in the middle with the bat and too many freebies with the ball. Did well in clutch moments in the T20s, but in the ODIs McConchie and Ravindra did more as allrounders while Chapman played the sort of counter-attacking innings which should really be his regular contribution.
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You're right about that but Neesham shouldn't be near the side based on his returns in the last couple of years.
I'm sad that ODI cricket is gone again there's nothing to save us from the relentless barrage of forgettable T20s.
Neesham shouldn't play another game for NZ. I have nothing against the guy, in fact I've backed him right in over the years as a guy with talent with the bat and someone I thought could become a very good 4th/5th bowling option and I thought he'd become a very good death bowler.
But I'm happy for him to chase the franchise stuff and we can find out more about the Clarksons, N.Smiths, K.Clarkes or anyone else who has much more time to give and probably would offer similar performances.
But I'm happy for him to chase the franchise stuff and we can find out more about the Clarksons, N.Smiths, K.Clarkes or anyone else who has much more time to give and probably would offer similar performances.
Obviously happy for Will Young too, although another couple of big(ish) scores without turning them into three figures continues to concern. This is a guy who has 6 Test 50s without a ton, along with 14 FC tons + 41 halfs. Big opportunity squandered to get the monkey off the back against major nations. Is he the guy who should open in the World Cup ahead of Finn Allen? Probably you'd say yes, as he's better against decent bowling...but it's not that simple with how they might want to play, is Mitchell batting 3, is Stead going to open with Nicholls instead etc.
ashley bach
International Captain
Yeah surely Jimmy the Neesh is just about done. Quietly hoping he doesn't make the squad for the world cup because it's hard to see him producing
anything to write home about in Indian conditions.
Sadly knowing how our selectors operate though, it's almost a certainty that he'll be there.
anything to write home about in Indian conditions.
Sadly knowing how our selectors operate though, it's almost a certainty that he'll be there.