*Official* England in NZ 2023

[Meridio]

Would just like to concur with @SteveNZ that this has been such a good pitch. It's had seam, pace, bounce and spin, but if you batted well you could score big runs. Much more than a standard seamy road

 

[Burgey]

I don't have a problem with any aspect of Bazball except the first innings declarations. It's not positive or attacking, all it does is help the opposition.
It was definitely an unnecessary contributing factor in this defeat.

Yeah there’s nothing wrong with their approach at all, because apart from Root and Stokes, there’s little to no evidence any of their top six is capable of occupying the crease in challenging conditions.

To play through the line and be aggressive suits their style and plays to their strengths, because a lot of their blokes aren’t capable of defending a decent spell of bowling in tough conditions.

The issue for them will be when they’re faced with a good attack on moving wickets. They’ve beaten a laughable Pakistan side, drew with an aged gelding of a NZ team and even WI and SA took a test off them.

It’s very entertaining to watch though. Got to give them that. There will be nothing wrong with the run rate when they keep making 130 all out in 25 overs come the Ashes.

 

[Croadymeister]

Stokes has made it very clear in the past that he has no interest in drawn test matches. I can't say I agree with the philosophy because surely a drawn test here and a series win is a far better result than a lost test and drawn series?

But having said that I honestly don't have overly strong feelings on it. I said at the start of this bazball that Eng are going to loose test matches that they never should but will also win plenty they've got no right to win. You can't argue with the results of the last few months and if it's all about providing entertainment to the punters then they're doing that in spades.

So im really not "that" dissapointed in loosing this one......congrats to NZ who hung in there and gave themselves a chance to be in with a shout at the end, which they grabbed.

Unbelievable test match and cricket is the winner here. How would it be in the changeroom now!! Ill bet both camps have come together and the party will go forever. Love to see it.

Very measured post

 

[slippy888]

Why are New Zealand a 6/1 shot to win this England need 210 runs on a 5th day pitch, is it bazball hype.

Did anyone get on

 

[nzfan]

Walking straight home via McDonald's imo

He now drives an electric mate. You'd expect him to do that. He's concerned about the environment.

 

[Niall]

Yeah totally agree was such a bizarre decision. I remember us enforcing it in 2005 at Trent Bridge. Jones goes down injured fielding and never gets back in test team again

England also in that position have the perfect batting line up to quickly set New Zealand a score of 450+ which in a fourth inning chase is a remarkably difficult thing to achieve.

The follow on was funky for the sake of been funky.

 

[Burgey]

Unbelievable test match and cricket is the winner here. How would it be in the changeroom now!! Ill bet both camps have come together and the party will go forever. Love to see i

Yeah I got the impression both sides seemed pretty thrilled to have put that game on. Seems a pretty good level of friendship and respect between the teams.

Which is another reason why neither will ever be number one. You need hatred to fuel your performances. This is test cricket Ffs, not series one of Ted Lasso (which I thoroughly enjoyed tbh).

 

[Burgey]

England also in that position have the perfect batting line up to quickly set New Zealand a score of 450+ which in a fourth inning chase is a remarkably difficult thing to achieve.

The follow on was funky for the sake of been funky.

I don’t think Stokes would have gone within a bulls roar of enforcing it if NZ hadn’t rolled over so abjectly in the first test. Shades of Waugh 2001 in that regard

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Rope-a-dope strategy imo

 

[Daemon]

Anderson must be gutted. Similar to the SL loss back in 2014 where he got out in the last over.

 

[andruid]

Guys I am chucking 50 euros on New Zealand to win in sports you have your ups and downs even if you have greatness

When are you issuing your next major prophecy?

 

[Bahnz]

Surely this test is the end of that experiment? Just get Ravindra if you want someone to bowl filler trash and a batter that at least is overhyped.

Never change a winning team.
#Steadyhand

 

[Moss]

I don’t think Stokes would have gone within a bulls roar of enforcing it if NZ hadn’t rolled over so abjectly in the first test. Shades of Waugh 2001 in that regard

Yeah good point, possibly a bit of hubris in there given NZ ‘s top order had been miserable for 3 innings straight. Though I guess the forecast also may have had a part to play.

 

[Burgey]

Can we talked about the pachyderm in the room please?

The fact is many England fans are unfazed by the loss of such an epic test.

Now, what does that tell us about how other teams rate the importance of beating NZ?

 

[NZTailender]

Anderson 0-77 in the second innings then choked with the bat. Questions must be answered IMO.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

England also in that position have the perfect batting line up to quickly set New Zealand a score of 450+ which in a fourth inning chase is a remarkably difficult thing to achieve.

The follow on was funky for the sake of been funky.

Follow on was the right decision with the weather forecast and overhead conditions when NZ followed on. Conway and Latham were too good and laid a platform.

NZ could've chased 500 at the Basin.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Anderson 0-77 in the second innings then choked with the bat. Questions must be answered IMO.

And there were clouds for the 1st new ball.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Anderson 0-77 in the second innings then choked with the bat. Questions must be answered IMO.

PED shortage

 

[Adders]

Can we talked about the pachyderm in the room please?

The fact is many England fans are unfazed by the loss of such an epic test.

Now, what does that tell us about how other teams rate the importance of beating NZ?

I was going to tell you to stay classy and nows not the time for that etc. But since they've decided to get stuck into Jimmy......**** em!!

Of course you're right......Stokes pulls a stunt of a follow on like that in the Ashes and ill be spending time in an 8x4 gaol cell myself!

 

[NZTailender]

Team of the series?

1. B Duckett
2. D Conway
3. K Williamson (for one innings really)
4. J Root
5. H Brook
6. D Mitchell
7. T Blundell+
8. M Henry
9. J Leach
10. S Broad
11. J Anderson