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**Official** Ireland in England 2019

Test_Fan_Only

State Regular
We should be picking him anyway as specialist captain.

Burns
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan (c)
Stokes
Butler (wk)
Moeen
TCurran
Broad
Porter

Anderson in for Porter and Woakes in for TCurran for the ashes.
That is a terrible side

Roy is not a test match opener
Bairstow has a terrible record at 3, he should be either the wicketkeeper or number 5/6 or not in the team.
If Baristow is not the wicket keeper it should be Foakes not Butler. Butler is not good enough to play as a batsman only, should be dropped.
Jack Leach should be England's spinner.
Eoin Morgan has had his chance in tests and failed, no reason to think he would be anymore successful if picked again.
 
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Groundking

State Captain
That is a terrible side

Roy is not a test match opener
Bairstow has a terrible record at 3, he should be either the wicketkeeper or number 5/6 or not in the team.
If Baristow is not the wicket keeper it should be Foakes not Butler. Butler is not good enough to play as a batsman only, should be dropped.
Jack Leach should be England's spinner.
Eoin Morgan has had his chance in tests and failed, no reason to think he would be anymore successful if picked again.
No, but Roy will be getting picked.
We need a no.3 Root is pants there Bairstow has done well opening before but cried about not having the gloves, **** him, him batting in the top 3 is what's best for the team.
Butler is one of our few form batsmen in tests and is favoured over Foakes.
No Moeen is our best spinner, especially in home conditions. Also Leach is not favoured.
Yet we've tried plenty of batsmen that have not been successful at all, Root has shown to not be a good captain and it has been a massive detriment to his batting. I'm picking Morgan as specialist captain.
 

Howe_zat

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That is a terrible side

Roy is not a test match opener
Bairstow has a terrible record at 3, he should be either the wicketkeeper or number 5/6 or not in the team.
If Baristow is not the wicket keeper it should be Foakes not Butler. Butler is not good enough to play as a batsman only, should be dropped.
Jack Leach should be England's spinner.
Eoin Morgan has had his chance in tests and failed, no reason to think he would be anymore successful if picked again.
Mate - one day cricket exists. I know you're not interested in it, you've made that painfully clear, but pretending it doesn't exist is on another level. It makes you look like a flat earther. You can be as indifferent to it all you like but you'll just come across as being like a self-appointed football expert who only watches the world cup, or someone who talks **** about tennis players when they only ever watch Wimbledon. It doesn't make you a hipster, it makes you ignorant.

It's cricket and it's played by cricketers. Accept that, or keep being wrong.
 
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Test_Fan_Only

State Regular
Mate - one day cricket exists. I know you're not interested in it, you've made that painfully clear, but pretending it doesn't exist is on another level. It makes you look like a flat earther. You can be as indifferent to it all you like but you'll just come across as being like a self-appointed football expert who only watches the world cup, or someone who talks **** about tennis players when they only ever watch Wimbledon. It doesn't make you a hipster, it makes you ignorant.

It's cricket and it's played by cricketers. Accept that, or keep being wrong.
Of course it exists, I used to be a fan of one day cricket and follow it a lot. However, especially these days, it requires such different batting skills and approach that it is largely irrelevant to test cricket. Some batsman will possess the skills and the ability to approach the two different forms in the way required and be successful in both forms while others will not. Test match batsmen should be picked on FC ability.

Has there ever been a successful test match player picked purely on one day form?

Greg Blewett was largely selected on one day form for Australian A the only time they played in the World Series one day series but he also had a good first class record and after a start of two centuries in his first two test matches was reasonably quickly dropped. He came back based on FC form but never really totally proved himself at test level.

That is basically what happened with Aaron Finch and he failed. It would be the same with Roy. His first class record shows he is a mediocre FC middle order batsman, very similar to Finch. As an opener he might do well against Ireland, not really a high bar to set but over the long term he will not succeed. He might have the odd good innings, lots of below test match standard batsmen have done that, but long term success is extremely unlikely.
 

Groundking

State Captain
Of course it exists, I used to be a fan of one day cricket and follow it a lot. However, especially these days, it requires such different batting skills and approach that it is largely irrelevant to test cricket. Some batsman will possess the skills and the ability to approach the two different forms in the way required and be successful in both forms while others will not. Test match batsmen should be picked on FC ability.

Has there ever been a successful test match player picked purely on one day form?

Greg Blewett was largely selected on one day form for Australian A the only time they played in the World Series one day series but he also had a good first class record and after a start of two centuries in his first two test matches was reasonably quickly dropped. He came back based on FC form but never really totally proved himself at test level.

That is basically what happened with Aaron Finch and he failed. It would be the same with Roy. His first class record shows he is a mediocre FC middle order batsman, very similar to Finch. As an opener he might do well against Ireland, not really a high bar to set but over the long term he will not succeed. He might have the odd good innings, lots of below test match standard batsmen have done that, but long term success is extremely unlikely.
Most people on this forum probably thinks that Roy will fail, but the cupboards are bare and it's obvious what the selectors are going to do, they did it with Buttler and that's been a success as he's averaged 40 since coming back into the side which is significantly better than any of the other clowns we've tried before and basically better than everybody else who's played in the same time period. Also it's not like Roy's not shown mental fortitude, and won't be on a high of form considering he's averaging 70 in the world cup (against international bowling attacks, something the CC lot aren't really doing) so at least he's got stuff going for him and it's not just a blind punt.
 

Test_Fan_Only

State Regular
Most people on this forum probably thinks that Roy will fail, but the cupboards are bare and it's obvious what the selectors are going to do, they did it with Buttler and that's been a success as he's averaged 40 since coming back into the side which is significantly better than any of the other clowns we've tried before and basically better than everybody else who's played in the same time period. Also it's not like Roy's not shown mental fortitude, and won't be on a high of form considering he's averaging 70 in the world cup (against international bowling attacks, something the CC lot aren't really doing) so at least he's got stuff going for him and it's not just a blind punt.
Buttler has hardly been a great success, done okayish but I am far from convinced he should be the England test side.
 

flibbertyjibber

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Buttler has hardly been a great success, done okayish but I am far from convinced he should be the England test side.
Nor am I but he has done far better since his return than the likes of Malan and Vince so deserves his slot. Aussies will be scared of him too as he can change a game in one session.
 

morgieb

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
In a bowler-friendly series I can see the value of someone like Roy. Especially given Australia can be prone to wasting the new ball from time to time.
 

Test_Fan_Only

State Regular
In a bowler-friendly series I can see the value of someone like Roy. Especially given Australia can be prone to wasting the new ball from time to time.
It is possible that someone like Roy might be able to score a quick 50 or so in a low scoring match with a bit of luck and that might be the difference, but lots of things are possible and not all of them a very likely. I guess another Jason, Gillespie, was highly unlikely to score a test double century but it happened.

Over the medium to long term I cannot see Roy being a success and choosing the best openers available seems to be more likely to succeed. If I am proved wrong I will take it on the chin and admit it.
 

Test_Fan_Only

State Regular
Nor am I but he has done far better since his return than the likes of Malan and Vince so deserves his slot. Aussies will be scared of him too as he can change a game in one session.
Malan and Vince did not exactly set the bar very high. He has done better in England than overseas but I am not sure he has faced the strongest of opponents. One century is a poor return, although he gets past 50 a reasonable amount of the time. I will be surprised if he averages close to 40 in the Ashes.
 

morgieb

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It is possible that someone like Roy might be able to score a quick 50 or so in a low scoring match with a bit of luck and that might be the difference, but lots of things are possible and not all of them a very likely. I guess another Jason, Gillespie, was highly unlikely to score a test double century but it happened.

Over the medium to long term I cannot see Roy being a success and choosing the best openers available seems to be more likely to succeed. If I am proved wrong I will take it on the chin and admit it.
Oh yeah, long-term it will be a failure. But hopefully by then a couple of options who might be viable long-term (Hameed, Sibley? maybe they could convince Renshaw to play for England lol) would have reached maturity and the value of winning the Ashes is so big it's probably worth it for England even if the next 12-18 months don't go swimmingly.
 

Test_Fan_Only

State Regular
Dom Sibley and Sam Northeast are playing in the England Lions side. They both have had excellent County seasons and if they do well against Australia A they should play in this test against Ireland. I am not sure whether Northeast could bat at 3, but Sibley is a young opener who seems to have taken the next step in his development in the last 12 months and England being desperate for openers surely must give him a spot.

As far as number 3 goes, if Northeast is not suitable, find the player who has the best defensive technique and a fighting attitude and play him at 3 provided he is showing some form in county cricket. Don't worry about how quickly he scores or whether he looks good, just has to be effective.
 

Lillian Thomson

International Coach
The England Squad is missing a few names, but includes Jason Roy.

Joe Root (c), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Lewis Gregory, Jack Leach, Jason Roy, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
 

Test_Fan_Only

State Regular
The England Squad is missing a few names, but includes Jason Roy.

Joe Root (c), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Lewis Gregory, Jack Leach, Jason Roy, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
An incredibly weak batting lineup.

Burns, Roy, Denly, Root, Bairstow, Ali, Curran, Woakes in that order or something like it.

Then one of Gregory, Stone or Leach have to play as well as Anderson and Broad
 

morgieb

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Moeen and Curran batting 6 and 7 seems arrogant as hell. It also makes the #9 role redundant. Surely they could've picked another bat?
 

Francis9898

Cricket Spectator
Currently don’t see how Broad can be in the XI. Curran and Woakes are just better in UK. Unless they get Bairstow, Buttler etc opening or in top order and then just crash their side with #batdeep
 

trundler

Hall of Fame Member
Curran doesn't seem to have that high a ceiling as a bowler imo. Broad can still go destroyer of all that holds a bat mode so he's worth the punt.
 

Francis9898

Cricket Spectator
Curran doesn't seem to have that high a ceiling as a bowler imo. Broad can still go destroyer of all that holds a bat mode so he's worth the punt.
Without looking at scorecards didn’t Curran do more than Broad last summer? Woakes absolute shoe in and Archer in for sure. Can’t keep living on what was - Cook was undroppable yet could barely get a run!
 

James90

Cricketer Of The Year
Top 8 looks like:

1. Burns
2. Roy
3. Denly
4. Root *
5. Bairstow +
6. Ali
7. Woakes
8. Curran

Not sure about the bowlers, but I think Leach will play considering there will be four quicks. Unsure if Jimmy will be fit too.
 

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