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***Official*** India's Tour of Australia 2020/21 - General discussion

Flem274*

123/5
Would recommend that ashwin video to non-Indians too, good that he's started adding subtitles now. They seem to not like Paine that much lmao but their respect for Cummins and Hazelwood is obvious in every video they've put out so far.
paine did come across like the bullys smarmy sidekick at sydney tbf. anyone would hate him.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
Also I do not quite subscribe to this lack of rotation made bowlers tired theory. In fact if one takes overs per innings bowled by the four, it is lesser than what was bowled by.the same four in 2018-19 series.

What probably made the difference was "how" Indians made Aus feel especially in the last two tests. And the added pressure of having to defend relatively lower totals than what they are used to.

Also Lyon being more or less completely neutered by India resulted in him bowling much fewer overs per innings than last time around (35 overs in last series vs 26 overs per innings this time) , resulting in less turnaround time for fast bowlers.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Would recommend that ashwin video to non-Indians too, good that he's started adding subtitles now. They seem to not like Paine that much lmao but their respect for Cummins and Hazelwood is obvious in every video they've put out so far.
The best part is he says he and Vihari realized that the Aussies had given up the moment Paine started his sledging. Also very interesting is how Shardul did not deliver any of the messages from the coaching staff and instead just told them to continue playing as they were, as they were doing great. And Ash also pointed out that maybe the Aussies thought they were not rotating strike due to Vihari's injury but in reality they were also playing at the most comfortable end, for each batsman. And lastly, Ash also points out that with his bad back, had they made him stretch forward to the seamers, he would have struggled but them bowling short and hitting him made them think they can injure him out anyways and that played into their hands.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Also I do not quite subscribe to this lack of rotation made bowlers tired theory. In fact if one takes overs per innings bowled by the four, it is lesser than what was bowled by.the same four in 2018-19 series.

What probably made the difference was "how" Indians made Aus feel especially in the last two tests. And the added pressure of having to defend relatively lower totals than what they are used to.

Also Lyon being more or less completely neutered by India resulted in him bowling much fewer overs per innings than last time around (35 overs in last series vs 26 overs per innings this time) , resulting in less turnaround time for fast bowlers.
I mean this is overthinking it. It was plainly obvious, just visually, that the bowlers were physically exhausted.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
One negative - Less of Jadejaspeak. His immense contribution with the bat at MCG - a golden 60 under the most trying conditions was more or less ignored.

Also his superlative 4 fer at SCG. Although they touched upon that run out for the ages.

Perhaps its like the great wonders of life like breathable air, drinkable water - and Jadeja. We can't live without these, but we don't go on acknowledging these. Omnipotent and omnipresent.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
One negative - Less of Jadejaspeak. His immense contribution with the bat at MCG - a golden 60 under the most trying conditions was more or less ignored.

Also his superlative 4 fer at SCG. Although they touched upon that run out for the ages.

Perhaps its like the great wonders of life like breathable air, drinkable water - and Jadeja. We can't live without these, but we don't go on acknowledging these. Omnipotent and omnipresent.
The 2nd episode talks about it. Ash specifically tallks about a very tight and disciplined 50 by Jaddu. A very "correct" innings I think he called it.
 

Shady Slim

International Vice-Captain
what ss is also ignoring is something i remarked on in the gabba thread - specifically sydney to brisbane turnover.

sydney finished only three days before brisbane started and the aussie bowlers spent the final day in sydney hucking it down in the heat for eight hours to no avail. that's got both a physical and mental fatiguing effect that undoubtedly came in to play at the gabba, as would the inevitability of pujara facing another 200 balls, just as was done in melbourne, and sydney (both innings), and again in brisbane
 

Kirkut

International Debutant
We have this thread called CW Studios where we attempt to re-imagine movies suitable for posters.

For Pujara, it would be...

Killing Them Softly...
This quote from Hazlewood sums up Pujara so perfectly, like how Imran Khan describes how intimidated he was when bowling to Viv Richards.

Shami too finds bowling to Pujara as the most frustrating experience in the nets.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
what ss is also ignoring is something i remarked on in the gabba thread - specifically sydney to brisbane turnover.

sydney finished only three days before brisbane started and the aussie bowlers spent the final day in sydney hucking it down in the heat for eight hours to no avail. that's got both a physical and mental fatiguing effect that undoubtedly came in to play at the gabba, as would the inevitability of pujara facing another 200 balls, just as was done in melbourne, and sydney (both innings), and again in brisbane
Imagine if India won the toss at Brisbane and batted for a day and half.
 

artvandalay

State Regular
Dry Up Australia’s Off-Side Runs: Bharat Arun Reveals India’s Plan

In July 2020, when the world was reeling under Covid-19 pandemic and there was no cricket in sight for India, bowling coach Bharat Arun got a call from head coach Ravi Shastri who asked him to devise a plan to cut Australian batsmen's off-side strokeplay.
Australia's strategy at home has always revolved around their batsmen scoring big and bowlers having the total to play with, apply pressure and watch the opposition crumble.

"Shastri called me in July. He said, we need to take off-side away from them and asked to plan something on that line. We knew Smith and Labuschagne get a lot of runs on the off-side. We took a cue from the New Zealand attack," said Arun while speaking to the media on Friday.
The India team management, who had a successful tour of Australia in 2018-19, were to encounter Steve Smith, David Warner and Marnus Labuschagne on this tour unlike last time when Warner and Smith were absent since they were serving bans and Labuschagne was a greenhorn and hadn't cemented his place in the Australia squad.
New Zealand didn't let Smith score a single century in the three Tests in 2019-20 Australian summer, getting him caught on the leg-side with fast bowler Neil Wagner using the short-pitched delivery to good effect. Wagner got him four out of five times as the Kiwis dried up Smith's runs on the leg-side.

India used the same strategy during their recently concluded tour of Australia and throughout the series, they didn't allow the Aussies to get away with the kind of big totals they are used to scoring at home. Australia got past 350 just once in the series, their highest total being 369 against a second-string India attack at the Gabba where they lost.
"Ravi said come up with a plan to eat out the off-side. Our idea was to pack the leg-side with fielders. We employed the theory in Adelaide with Kohli as captain. Then when Rahane took over, we continued to do the same. The bowlers responded well," added Arun.

"Australia tour is a great challenge. It is one of the most challenging tours. It was a great move by Shastri to hold back all bowlers. They were supposed to leave after the limited-overs leg. We thought if something happens, it will be tough to seek replacements (during Covid-19). Them being with us throughout helped. They knew what to do," added Arun.
The bowling coach added that all the players were treated equally and given opportunity to play at the nets.
"Washington Sundar used to spend half an hour everyday batting. We (the coaching staff and throw-down experts) needed to spend extra hours, but everyone was treated equally, given equal attention and importance. It paid off. When we anted it the most, it helped," said the 58-year-old former India and Tamil Nadu player.


https://www.thequint.com/sports/cri...uns-bharat-arun-reveals-indias-plan#read-more
 

Window

School Boy/Girl Captain
Isn't it clear? It was always Shastri show once Virat left. Rahane might have certain inputs here or there but given how big a figure is Shastri in the team, it is obvious he called most of the shots. He is deified by the players
Yeah that’s what I suspect. There’s so many articles out there praising Rahane’s captaincy right now. He surely played an important part but this just shows how difficult it is to attribute success or failure of team tactics primarily to the captain.
 

Arachnodouche

International Regular
Shastri is living testimony to the mantra "presentation sells". State something obvious in a loud enough manner and you'll be praised from the rooftops. That said, the team appears to respond to him so all's good.
 

cnerd123

likes this
Shastri is living testimony to the mantra "presentation sells". State something obvious in a loud enough manner and you'll be praised from the rooftops. That said, the team appears to respond to him so all's good.
idk, I think it was pretty shrewd of him to tell Jinx to bowl Ashwin early at Melbourne because he noticed the wicket was a bit damp and would provide purchase for him + he had the wood over Smith after the 1st test. Not an obvious insight that.
 

Arachnodouche

International Regular
yeah...perhaps that's a little uncharitable of me. He does seem to toe that line between being assertive when needed but also giving the guys their space at other times. Wonder if that's where Kumble fell out with the gang.
 

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