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*Official* India tour of Ireland and England 2022

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
For sure.

The development of he and Shami, with Ishant improving the past few years followed by Siraj and back up from Nostrils is what's made India so competitive in all conditions. They've got real depth in fast bowling now and it compliments Ashwin & Jadeja. Depending on the venue, they've got two or three first rate spinners to play, then when they have to play in real conditions and only one spinner is needed, they've got properly good quicks to bring in and rotate through the line up. It's what sets this era for them apart from earlier sides who had good or great spinners but would have their quicks let the pressure off. Doesn't happen these days any more.
even when complimenting us, can't resist getting a dig in, can you? :D
 

Aritro

International Debutant
For no particular reason related to anything discussed recently in this thread, I've just seen that Anderson has 74 wickets at 27.67 in Asia. That makes him the 3rd highest wicket taker at the 15th best average among SENWA pace bowlers in Asia. The "W" is included cos it's a bit **** that we always leave the Windies out.

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Anil

Hall of Fame Member
what is this statistic saying to you? because it's not talking to me at all...
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
For sure.

The development of he and Shami, with Ishant improving the past few years followed by Siraj and back up from Nostrils is what's made India so competitive in all conditions. They've got real depth in fast bowling now and it compliments Ashwin & Jadeja. Depending on the venue, they've got two or three first rate spinners to play, then when they have to play in real conditions and only one spinner is needed, they've got properly good quicks to bring in and rotate through the line up. It's what sets this era for them apart from earlier sides who had good or great spinners but would have their quicks let the pressure off. Doesn't happen these days any more.
TBF, in real conditions, Shami is an absolute powerhouse as well alongside the spinners.

Also, while I think Shami is very very good, he is the kind of bowler who needs others around him to be more accurate and threatening as he can often go the "one ball at your legs" or "the unlucky length" and sometimes both in the same spell. He will never really be watertight and on the odd times he is, he will not be bowling the length that is more likely to get wickets. But as an enforcer or however people see that role, he can be magnificent. This is why the post 2016 Ishant and Bumrah joining the line up was so immense for him. Siraj has been absolute find too obviously. And we still have Lord and Chahar among the swing bowlers who can come in and also add a bit of battinng ability at 8.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
TBF, in real conditions, Shami is an absolute powerhouse as well alongside the spinners.

Also, while I think Shami is very very good, he is the kind of bowler who needs others around him to be more accurate and threatening as he can often go the "one ball at your legs" or "the unlucky length" and sometimes both in the same spell. He will never really be watertight and on the odd times he is, he will not be bowling the length that is more likely to get wickets. But as an enforcer or however people see that role, he can be magnificent. This is why the post 2016 Ishant and Bumrah joining the line up was so immense for him. Siraj has been absolute find too obviously. And we still have Lord and Chahar among the swing bowlers who can come in and also add a bit of battinng ability at 8.
do we have any others of this caliber coming up the ranks through domestic cricket?
 

Burgey

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TBF, in real conditions, Shami is an absolute powerhouse as well alongside the spinners.

Also, while I think Shami is very very good, he is the kind of bowler who needs others around him to be more accurate and threatening as he can often go the "one ball at your legs" or "the unlucky length" and sometimes both in the same spell. He will never really be watertight and on the odd times he is, he will not be bowling the length that is more likely to get wickets. But as an enforcer or however people see that role, he can be magnificent. This is why the post 2016 Ishant and Bumrah joining the line up was so immense for him. Siraj has been absolute find too obviously. And we still have Lord and Chahar among the swing bowlers who can come in and also add a bit of battinng ability at 8.
Yeah he’s a bit like Starc in that regard, though I think he’s better. But they both benefit from the other two around them to keep a lid on things
 

Burgey

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For no particular reason related to anything discussed recently in this thread, I've just seen that Anderson has 74 wickets at 27.67 in Asia. That makes him the 3rd highest wicket taker at the 15th best average among SENWA pace bowlers in Asia. The "W" is included cos it's a bit **** that we always leave the Windies out.

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Davo… :wub:
 

Apex Predator

State Vice-Captain
do we have any others of this caliber coming up the ranks through domestic cricket?
Prasidh Krishna has come up the ranks.. Rest all are on T20 diet as of now. With no A tours.
Hopefully guys like Mohsin Khan Kartik Tyagi & maybe Umran Malik who too has a skiddy nature like Shami will develop into one.
 

greg

International Debutant
Didn't take long for people to evacuate the Bazball train. Only half an innings.

And tbh this exact situation happened almost every game last series. It's right now England playing like memes gets them parity.

Or 132 all out again like at Lord's. Will be fun regardless.
Yep, it’s like people have goldfish memories or didn’t actually watch much of the New Zealand series, at least up to the end of the second match innings. And FFS it’s not as if the Indian batting “formula” in this match has been much different. For Bairstow, substitute Pant.

Another point perhaps worth saying is that this sort of approach has similarities to England’s (successful) limited overs approaches (beyond “aggressive” cricket). By that I mean it’s quite simplistic and doesn’t try to take “the correct” approach in every match situation, believing that that leads to overthinking and as often as not doing the wrong thing for good reasons. And creates confusion in heads of the players who are constantly having to change their approach likewise. But on occasion it will go very very wrong.
 

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