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*Official* First Test at Swalec Stadium, Cardiff

Redbacks

International Captain
Across many codes you see examples of players with great talent but can't control their weight. Sometimes you wonder if they feel more secure being the guy who was too fat to play rather than getting lean and not making it, or just being good. Cos seriously, at that level you have got the support team to do it for you, they can cook your meals even.
 

NUFAN

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Across many codes you see examples of players with great talent but can't control their weight. Sometimes you wonder if they feel more secure being the guy who was too fat to play rather than getting lean and not making it, or just being good. Cos seriously, at that level you have got the support team to do it for you, they can cook your meals even.
Ironic considering your signature.
 

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Across many codes you see examples of players with great talent but can't control their weight. Sometimes you wonder if they feel more secure being the guy who was too fat to play rather than getting lean and not making it, or just being good. Cos seriously, at that level you have got the support team to do it for you, they can cook your meals even.
Probably is a bit of that. Probably a bit of minor rebellion in eating McD's instead of sticking to a diet. I don't think blaming the problem entirely on those factors is right, though; some people are just built bigger.
 

pup11

International Coach
Australia squad selection ridiculous - Chappell

First test is just around the corner now, and the Australian XI is pretty much done and dusted for the first test, and in the meanwhile Ian Chappell has made this statement, and I have to say, to some extent, I do agree with what he is saying, he has raised some very valid points, though unlike Chappelli, I don't think Hughes unorthodoxy is necessarily a bad thing.
 

Redbacks

International Captain
In principle I agree, same rules for everyone, no excuses. But I can't help but think some players are more equal than others in Team England. Flintoff, noted inbiber that he is, was unable to make the alarm call on the recent trip to Flanders and all we know of the incident is that he was "disciplined".
There would appear to be some natural laws that flow throughout most human endeavours. Sometimes maybe you can turn a blind eye to smallish misdemeanour from a great player but as with any natural law, you break it consistently enough and their will be consequences.
 
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Ironic considering your signature.
Quite. Lehmann was a bit tubby early on in his cricket career but even when he was at his fittest, people were still calling him fat. This was despite the Aus fitness coach at the time trying to quell that by calling him a "chunk of muscle."
 

Redbacks

International Captain
Ironic considering your signature.
haha fair point, although when I saw him face to face during his time in the test team he did look as T_C put it a bigger bloke. I was more thinking Cosgrove with the comments, Boof perhaps just couldn't break into a great side.

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BoyBrumby

Englishman
Why Patel? He's averaging under 30 with the bat this year.
Only one of the batting contenders (with all due respect to Denly's leggies & Solanki's offies) who bowls half-decent spin. FC batting average still north of 45 too, which is very decent.
 

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Yeah, exactly. Cosgrove's problem wasn't weight (even though that was the number promulgated by media) it was fitness.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Hauritz has gone for 2/260 in the past two games against lesser batsmen then what the English lineup will contain. There's no logical reason to pick him and he doesn't really play any role in the lineup aside that of a

 

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Get no disagreement from anyone on here. Yet, I think, all signs point to the selectors being keen to pick him. Not as if he was picked in the first place on the back of awesome figures and has declined. From what I've seen, he's just about the same bowler he was 5 years ago.
 
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pasag

RTDAS
One day game has improved, in fairness.

The past few series has seen the selectors make decisions based on warmup games, to an extent so hopefully his poor showing will ram the message home. No doubt if he took a few more wickets he'd be a dead cert as he was in the starting XI before the group came over.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
England squad have been announced. Harmison's not in, but Panesar is and will play ahead of Onions if the pitch suits. Bell's in as cover if any of the batters get injured.
A few reports I have read suggest that the pitch won't turn as much as has bween suggested, fingers crossed here, Panesar shouldn't play under any circumstances IMO

Selvey in yesterday's Guardian actually reckoned we might stack the batting with Bell at #6, Prior 7 & Flintoff 8 and Onions/Panesar missing out. Linky.

"England's batting still has a middle-order fragility to it and the prospect of Matt Prior, a fine No7 but suspect at six, may be a risk too far. If this is the case then the second innings from Ian Bell for the Lions, who will be added to the squad, can be instructive."

I'd have said it was unlikely, especially after a scratchy 20, but did see Mike cosying up to Dusty, Ash & Whittaker yesterday, so maybe he has to direct line to the selectors.
Would certainly be a change to the old routine of, "if Flintoff plays then we pick five bowlers". Can't see it happening myself, though you never know.

Yeah, unusually, Ian Bell didn't even look good when scoring no runs in this match. It's a better balance to the team but they've taken the wrong player. I don't expect him to contribute.

The other issue is, you kinda need another half-bowler of some sort on top of a four-man attack IMO. If only Samit wasn't fat :(. He'd be perfect.
Aside from Patel, which batsman would you pick ahead of Bell? It's a tough call, I am comfortable with our top six but there isn't too much outside of it.
 

social

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Thankyou Eng selectors

Panesar - completely out of form

Onions - just given Oz a nice, long look at him and wont hold any fears now

Bell - nothing more needs to be said

You seriously had to wonder what was going through their heads when they picked the 2 sides for the leadup games
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, should have played Onions against Warwickshire, and Panesar against you lot, IMO
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
McDonald didn't take wickets at "about 20" in South Africa, he took them at 37. But we should never let that get in the way...
He did after the last test. But he performed pretty well in the first three he played in. Again, we should never let that get in the way...
 

Son Of Coco

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Would put my avatar on McDonald not playing the first test if any of his advocates are game. Can't see a bloke who wasn't given a trundle in either of the tour games being catapulted into the test XI.
I won't be, because I've never said he should play in the First Test :happy:

I agree he won't be in the 1st Test line up, I'd say he'll only get a game after the first two tests if the other guys play poorly now. He may get a run in the 2nd Test if there are a couple of poor performers. But it'd be unlikely I think.
 

Son Of Coco

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Agree with UC.

So many more reasons to pick Clark over Macca. Clark offers extra pace, more accurate and can take a few poles if the conditions suit. Didn't he take 26 wickets in 06/07 in an attack that included McGrath and Warne. McDonald plays a defensive role whereas Clark can be both.

NB; Hauritz should be nowhere near the XI. Not only is a crap spinner at test match level - his attitude isn't great either. Doesn't look like he always put in 110%, lacks the intensity and hunger to really overcome his disabilities as a spinner (just seems to roll his arm over - no real plan). Hauritz should only be considered in pyjama cricket.
I hope the selectors are thinking the same thing. They worry me a little.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Foster. With Prior playing as a specialist bat.
Yep, I think I've mentioned this before, it would be the way I want it. Can just see Prior dropping Ponting on 0 and him flaying our attack afterwards. TBH Foster'll score more runs then Bell or most of the other's they'd pick, if we accept they won't go with Samit, IMHO.
 

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