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***Official*** Australia in England 2018

Who will win the ODI series?

  • England

    Votes: 13 92.9%

  • Australia

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .
GoodAreasShane

GoodAreasShane

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A couple of years back I would have said Finch as a test player was a truly absurd proposition, but in times like these it may be worth considering if he has a strong start to the Shield season. Will be interesting to see where he bats for Victoria, as they have generally preferred Harris and Dean as their FC opening combination recently
 
Starfighter

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You're absolutely missing that tests and ODIs are different and one is much more skewed in favour of the batsmen than the others. When there's nearly no field restrictions, no over restrictions and much more time it's much easier to find and exploit a batsmen's weaknesses. And there's usually more in the pitch, and the red ball sometimes moves more too.

Guptill fails in tests because his technique, and particularly defence, is not good enough for tests. Plain and simple. He doesn't play his 'natural game' because his is too limited to be able to in tests. It's his inherent flaws in his batting. Not everyone can bat like McCullum (and he averaged under 40) etc. Being attacking by itself is not a recipe for consistent fast, good scoring in tests. There has to be a certain level of technical accomplishment, one Guptill doesn't have and one I don't think Finch has.
 
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Mr Miyagi

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Starfighter said:
You're absolutely missing that tests and ODIs are different and one is much more skewed in favour of the batsmen than the others. When there's nearly no field restrictions, no over restrictions and much more time it's much easier to find and exploit a batsmen's weaknesses. And there's usually more in the pitch, and the red ball sometimes moves more too.

Guptill fails in tests because his technique, and particularly defence, is not good enough for tests. Plain and simple. He doesn't play his 'natural game' because his is too limited to be able to in tests. It's his inherent flaws in his batting. Not everyone can bat like McCullum (and he averaged under 40) etc. Being attacking by itself is not a recipe for consistent fast, good scoring in tests. There has to be a certain level of technical accomplishment, one Guptill doesn't have and one I don't think Finch has.
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Please. No field restrictions in tests just means putting everyone on the boundary. If that happens, milk singles.

Guptill's technique in tests is different to his odi technique - in ODI he hits straight and big, in tests with the field up, he plays around to the leg side. This is apples and oranges. And stupid imo. But that is what he does.

But in tests - he looks to flick to the leg side like Steve Smith - but he isn't Steve Smith. He is Martin Guptill, and it fails him. In ODI - that ball is sailing over the sightscreen (even on non rugby ground boundaries).

Guppie has a great defence. What he doesn't have in tests is the ability to rotate the strike, in odi - he isn't looking too - he looks for the boundary (which as you say unlike tests is RESTRICTED).

Guppie could chip singles in tests if that were an option. But it isn't. Every bowler knows to keep bowling stump to stump and full, and let him stuff up, do that in ODI - they'll be getting a new ball several times an over.
 
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TheJediBrah

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If finch is considered it should be middle order.

Dean and Harris to open because they're a good partnership, maxwell, handscomb, white and finch for the middle order. Paine to keep i guess. Khawaja batting reserve.
 
Flem274*

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Mr Miyagi said:
Guppie has a great defence.
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nope. he defends very hard with his hands.

you also mischaracterise him as block-bash in odis. he's excellent at the drop and run and pinching singles in form. when out of form, like all out of form batsmen, he does often hit it straight to fielders.
 
Howe_zat

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Mr Miyagi

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Flem274* said:
nope. he defends very hard with his hands.
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Disagree. He may be out in front of him, but he drops the ball. He's not as hard imo as you may think.

Flem274* said:
you also mischaracterise him as block-bash in odis. he's excellent at the drop and run and pinching singles in form. when out of form, like all out of form batsmen, he does often hit it straight to fielders.
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He is actually on the block/bash side in ODI imo. Good spot. Well done.

Block bash includes dropping and run though, imo (where the field permits).
 
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Starfighter

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Mr Miyagi said:
Please. No field restrictions in tests just means putting everyone on the boundary. If that happens, milk singles.

Guptill's technique in tests is different to his odi technique - in ODI he hits straight and big, in tests with the field up, he plays around to the leg side. This is apples and oranges. And stupid imo. But that is what he does.

Guppie has a great defence. What he doesn't have in tests is the ability to rotate the strike, in odi - he isn't looking too - he looks for the boundary (which as you say unlike tests is RESTRICTED).

Guppie could chip singles in tests if that were an option. But it isn't. Every bowler knows to keep bowling stump to stump and full, and let him stuff up, do that in ODI - they'll be getting a new ball several times an over.
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Why does Guptill try work to leg in tests? Because his preferred scoring zones can be more easily plugged without possibility of leaking runs elsewhere. He cannot dictate like he does in ODIs, and that is where his weaknesses come through. His changing of play in tests is because of his limitations as a batsmen and the fact that bowlers exploit them and force him to play that way. It is the pure fact that his is not technically or strategically good enough to dictate to the bowlers in tests like he does in ODIs. The bowlers dictate to him, and he is not good enough to change that, so he fails.
 
Mr Miyagi

Mr Miyagi

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Starfighter said:
Why does Guptill try work to leg in tests?
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A Lack of Confidence
B Stupidity
C Nerves
D All of the above

Starfighter said:
Because his preferred scoring zones can be more easily plugged without possibility of leaking runs elsewhere. He cannot dictate like he does in ODIs, and that is where his weaknesses come through. His changing of play in tests is because of his limitations as a batsmen and the fact that bowlers exploit them and force him to play that way. It is the pure fact that his is not technically or strategically good enough to dictate to the bowlers in tests like he does in ODIs. The bowlers dictate to him, and he is not good enough to change that, so he fails.
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No. In my opinion.

I've seen him make big scores vs quality spinners, and repeatedly against seamers and swingers in favourable conditions. For me Guppy's fault in tests is a lack of aggressiveness. He invites bowlers to pitch up without punishment - and ultimately they make him look stupid as a result.

In tests its like he wants to be Steve Smith but from leg stump, but he isn't Steve Smith, and Steve Smith does it from off stump or wider of off (and actually clips the the straight ball ((and wider ball too))).

For me, imo, Guppie doesn't know or more accurately, know how to play or simply doesn't execute to the strong points of his game and plays to his own weaknesses in tests. This is view shared by Mark Richardson and many many many more in the NZC fan club. He should be whacking the full ball straight. That is when he makes runs, red or white ball. (And even in tests, where the field is up - good luck putting fielders in the stands).

As an Australian - think of difference between Watto in odi and t20 and Watto in tests. That is similar to what Guppie is suffering ((but he's better than Watto when he goes for it - and everyone who saw my ODI ATG team knows how highly I really rate Watto in pyjamas))
 
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Top_Cat

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Finch's last two Shield seasons:

17/18: 494 runs, 1 100s, 3 50s, avg 35.28, outside top-20
16/17: 581 runs, 1 100s, 4 50s, avg 52.81, number 17.

Although a gigantic improvement over where he was, two tons in two seasons isn't and shouldn't be enough to get you in the Test side unless injuries. This is without getting into the nitty-gritty of whether the ton against WA last season setting a declaration against a pretty bereft WA attack says much about him as potential Test player rather than LO player.

Could not be a bigger fan of him picking up the skippership of the ODI side, though.
 
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Okay A_DilapidatedBoat - show yourself

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Definitely sounds like OS
 
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