ODI Debut Chronology draft

[stephen]

On SR alone, Kallis scored at 0.95 times benchmark SR, Chanderpaul at 0.94.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dzzge9SGNJ0kctoKLeYG5xDf5bJgK0nqvzwFU1dM0fE/

I'm genuinely surprised it was that high tbh.

 

[ankitj]

Benchmark calculated for batsmen batting in top 7 positions btw.

 

[mr_mister]

Sometimes I feel you don't really watch non Aussie cricket. Kallis won't be useful when chasing 375 but in vast majority of games he was super useful. How do you think he won 32 player of the match awards, same number as Ponting but in fewer games?

Because he can also bowl.

 

[weldone]

I'm genuinely surprised it was that high tbh.

Benchmark (average) is below draft standard tbh (you wouldn't want 7 benchmark SR batsmen in your ATG draft team). So, these two were pretty slow. However, every ATG draft team can afford at least one such with high average.

 

[ankitj]

Yes, but you'd expect 3 quarters of MoMs at least to come from batting. He was a very good batsman guys. His average was higher than Tendulkar's for most part, and in his days matches were not 320 vs. 320 run fest all the time.

 

[weldone]

Dravid was also a very good ODI batsman over the last 2-3 years of his career.

 

[Pothas]

You would think that players like Dravid and Kallis would have been capable of the sort of role that you see from Root and Williamson if they had been brought up in this era.

 

[ankitj]

One peculiar thing about Kallis, he was a pretty good six hitter despite his low SR. I remember noticing at some point in his career, he hit more sixes per match than Tendulkar (I don't know why I know these stats but I do )

 

[Pothas]

Always gave the impression he could smash spin whenever he felt like it didn't he?

Remember being at the Oval for when Amla made his 300 and they both played Swann stupidly easily.

 

[weldone]

One peculiar thing about Kallis, he was a pretty good six hitter despite his low SR. I remember noticing at some point in his career, he hit more sixes per match than Tendulkar (I don't know why I know these stats but I do )

Tendulkar got dismissed quite a few times around 1998-99 trying to hit sixes and skying the ball. After that he completely stopped trying to hit a six for about the next 10 years.

 

[stephen]

You would think that players like Dravid and Kallis would have been capable of the sort of role that you see from Root and Williamson if they had been brought up in this era.

I was surprised Dravid didn't get picked. I almost grabbed him myself. He gets labelled as slow but he could keep.

 

[trundler]

Kallis had the fastest test fifty at one point

 

[weldone]

Some ODI records look so absurd in hindsight. Agarkar was the fastest to reach 50 wickets at one point.

 

[trundler]

I see that Mendis holds that record currently. Minnows really muddy up stats in ODIs.

In hindsight I should've just picked Babar for my last pick instead of picking a relative nobody for #4.

 

[ankitj]

Mendis wasn't just steamrolling minnows. Remember Asia cup final 2008? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8532/scorecard/335358/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-asia-cup-2008

At one point I genuinely thought he will eventually rival Murali as SL's best ever.

 

[AndrewB]

And yet Australia is the country with the lowest average strike rate (on the main grounds). Kallis was good, I'll grant you that. But he wasn't great in ODIs. You will struggle to find anyone other than Dippenaar who had a lower strike rate post 2000. His bowling was extremely valuable to South Africa though and there probably wasn't any better batsmen waiting in the wings to replace him either. To be fair to him his strike rate did improve across his career as opposed to Chanderpaul who stayed at the same pace most of the time.

I thought I'd check (on Statsguru) the decade 2000-9 to see how Kallis ranks then: just considering at top-7 batsmen with 50+ innings.

Of the 84 batsmen who qualify, Kallis (73.64) is 59th, a few places below Ganguly (75.37) and Sangakkara (74.63), a few above Chanderpaul (72.97). McKenzie (69.40) and Dippenaar (67.93) are the only S Africans lower (though Kirsten (74.29) is only just above him).

Some who I was surprised to see quite a way below Kallis are Bevan (71.25), Knight (71.22) and Kaluwitharana (66.94). To be fair, they were all top half in the similar list for the 90s (if you drop the innings requirement a bit to allow Knight into the 90s list).

 

[weldone]

Yep, Bevan is overrated in cw because 1. batting average and 2. he was the first among many to play that specialist cool-head finisher role somewhat consistently.

 

[stephen]

Yep, Bevan is overrated in cw because 1. batting average and 2. he was the first among many to play that specialist cool-head finisher role somewhat consistently.

Nope. He's underrated if anything.

 

[Red]

No, he's definitely overrated. Quite a few guys could play the role he played and probably do it better. Average is way overblown due to about a third of his innings being not out.

I'd take Mike Hussey over Bevan any day.

 

[Pothas]

So we are doing this for test cricket now right? This is not me volunteering, always let someone else do the work.