New Zealand's succession plan

[Days of Grace]

Have I got my calculations correct and he’ll play his 100th test, all being well, at the Basin against India?

 

[SteveNZ]

How long do you think Taylor sticks around for?

That's a really hard one...really not sure how his body holds up. As Athlai said he's mentioned 2023 but gee, I don't imagine he'd be able to sustain that playing all three forms. If Young comes back from injury well maybe he retires from Tests and tries to get through to that World Cup? I'll go with that.

 

[straw man]

Although there's uncertainty right now as to who the next batsman after Young will be, I'm feeling pretty confident about Rachin, Allen, Phillips, Conway and potentially a few others too, in 1-3 years. I think they'll get opportunities too, with Taylor retiring and the ever present need for an opener. Possibility we might also play a pure batsman at 6 post Watling & CDG for a bit too.

The difficulty with the fast bowlers is making sure they don't stagnate while the NZ side attack is stable. Need guys like Henry, Jamieson, Tickner to be continually challenged - someone like Jamieson will remain very effective at domestic level even if he doesn't push himself to bowl faster or add variations to his attack. NZ A series will be very important, being closer to international level than domestix and with varied conditions.

 

[Blain]

latham
rachin
kane
young
nicholls
blundell
neesham
santa (just noticed when going through names he's the youngest of our spinners by a mile)
southee
ferguson
boult

i think that's your 2023 side. could easily see seifert, phillips, conway in there too.

I think Southee will be out before 2023, his pace has dropped away a fair bit recently, but is still putting the Test performances on the table to keep getting selected ATM. Henry, Jamieson, maybe even a Nathan Smith or Ben Sears could be in his slot.

I would say Blundell would be pushed out by Conway or Seifert (although there are questions over the latters keeping). Or Conway is an extra batter at the expense of Santa or Neesham (Ravindra would give you another bowling option).

I think overall NZ's future looks pretty decent in a few seasons time. If we have a couple of batters go down in the next couple months though, I think we would struggle. Raval feels as he's on borrowed time a little, but Ravindra is still a season away.

 

[Chrish]

Overall, is current NZ team their best ever ??

 

[ataraxia]

Overall, is current NZ team their best ever ??

Yes.

 

[jimmy101]

If it isn't the best NZ ever, it's very, very close to it.

 

[Smudge]

this post makes me reflect on how pot shot even researched cricket predictions are. in 2012 when the current side was starting to build and captaincy gate happened we had never heard of henry nicholls, 3 of our spin options or lockie ferguson and no one knew what to make of latham, henry etc yet.

no one would have picked cdg to be revealed as a god.

This post makes me reflect on how Flem274* was still a fan of capitalisation in 2012.

 

[Bahnz]

this post makes me reflect on how pot shot even researched cricket predictions are. in 2012 when the current side was starting to build and captaincy gate happened we had never heard of henry nicholls, 3 of our spin options or lockie ferguson and no one knew what to make of latham, henry etc yet.

no one would have picked cdg to be revealed as a god.

It’s funny, I was thumbing through Martin Crowe’s Raw the other day, and in the chapter on his mid-life crisis induced attempt to get back into cricket at 49, he talks about facing a “young tearaway named Lachie Ferguson”. I think the book was published before Ferguson had played a game for Auckland. The fact that Crowe bothered to name him makes me suspect he had an inkling of the type of player he might become.

 

[Julian87]

latham
rachin
kane
young
nicholls
blundell
neesham
santa (just noticed when going through names he's the youngest of our spinners by a mile)
southee
ferguson
boult

i think that's your 2023 side. could easily see seifert, phillips, conway in there too.

Is Southee going to be up to it in 4 years when he's bowling 118-120 kmh?

 

[The Hutt Rec]

It’s funny, I was thumbing through Martin Crowe’s Raw the other day, and in the chapter on his mid-life crisis induced attempt to get back into cricket at 49, he talks about facing a “young tearaway named Lachie Ferguson”. I think the book was published before Ferguson had played a game for Auckland. The fact that Crowe bothered to name him makes me suspect he had an inkling of the type of player he might become.

Wow, it’s Wagner in McGrath’s book all over again!

 

[Howsie]

Our batting will be fine, we’ll still have Williamson plus Latham and Nicholls. New Zealand have plenty of talent with the bat coming through with the likes of Will Young, Glenn Phillips, Tim Seifert, Rachin Ravindra,l and Finn Allen, with Phillips and Ravindra being special talents in regards to New Zealand levels.

Bowling is where we might struggle 3-4 years down the line, Boult will still be there, so will Ferguson. Ben Sears looks okay but I haven’t seen anything special talent floating around lately

2022

Tom Latham
Rachin Ravindra
Kane Williamson
Will Young
Henry Nicholls
Glenn Phillips
Tim Seifert
Mitchell Santner
Kyle Jamieson/Ben Sears
Lockie Ferguson
Trent Boult

Plenty of batting, and if a guy like Nathan Smith really kicks on then he could probably slot in at 7 with Seifert playing as your keeper bat at 6.

 

[ataraxia]

Our batting will be fine, we’ll still have Williamson plus Latham and Nicholls. New Zealand have plenty of talent with the bat coming through with the likes of Will Young, Glenn Phillips, Tim Seifert, Rachin Ravindra,l and Finn Allen, with Phillips and Ravindra being special talents in regards to New Zealand levels.

Bowling is where we might struggle 3-4 years down the line, Boult will still be there, so will Ferguson. Ben Sears looks okay but I haven’t seen anything special talent floating around lately

2022

Tom Latham
Rachin Ravindra
Kane Williamson
Will Young
Henry Nicholls
Glenn Phillips
Tim Seifert
Mitchell Santner
Kyle Jamieson/Ben Sears
Lockie Ferguson
Trent Boult

Plenty of batting, and if a guy like Nathan Smith really kicks on then he could probably slot in at 7 with Seifert playing as your keeper bat at 6.

Neesham and Blundell too. We need 5 keepers in the Test side.

 

[Chrish]

Devon Conway deserves a trial next September? Can’t do worse than Raval.

 

[ataraxia]

Devon Conway deserves a trial next September? Can’t do worse than Raval.

Yeah definitely. We need a fourth keeper. 7 keeper NZ XI:

Latham /+
Conway /+
Seifert /+
Nicholls /+
Phillips /+ - 5
Watling /+
Blundell /+
Santner - 4
Southee* - 2
Wagner - 3
Boult - 1

 

[Flem274*]

Devon Conway deserves a trial next September? Can’t do worse than Raval.

>presents 30 years of nz openers<

we can always do worse.

 

[_Ed_]

>presents 30 years of nz openers<

we can always do worse.

Yeah, Raval would comfortably be in the top 10 openers I've seen for NZ in my 25ish years of watching.

 

[ataraxia]

We have produced some strong openers, but mostly some time ago (Dempster, Sutcliffe, Turner, Wright).

 

[Bahnz]

My top 5 specialist openers (not including guys like Fleming and McCullum who filled in for a dozen tests when we couldn't find anybody else) since I've started watching would probably be: Richardson, daylight, Latham, Young and Horne.

 

[Mike5181]

Yeah, Raval would comfortably be in the top 10 openers I've seen for NZ in my 25ish years of watching.

Hah, since I don't remember the '90s options I could probably put him as high as 4th on my list. Richardson, Latham, McCullum, Raval, and then probably someone like Tim McIntosh.