Mount Rushmore names of each country

[sunilz]

What I want to know is who was the WG Grace of Bangladesh cricket.

Athar "my words" Ali Khan ?

 

[Gob]

What I want to know is who was the WG Grace of Bangladesh cricket.

Ashraf00l

 

[Adders]

I think Grace and Hobbs are set in stone (see what I've done there?) for England, but in terms of cultural impact I think one DR Jardine should be up there too.

With maybe IT Botham as the fourth, he did take cricket to the front pages for a time.

Came in here to post exactly this.......Jardine is definitely the third head going up.

 

[Victor Ian]

Cultural impact. Yeah, we are *****. So what!

Just joking. Love Jardine.

 

[subshakerz]

For Pakistan, I believe it should be Hanif Mohd (first star who popularized cricket), Imran Khan, Wasim, and either Miandad or Misbah. I lean towards Miandad though as Pakistan's greatest bat.

 

[subshakerz]

Rating by how good they actually were in their trade and not by their date of birth.

Kapil
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Kohli

Dhoni over Kohli. India's greatest limited over captain and rivaled Tendulkar in terms of being a dominant presence in Indian cricket in his time. By the end of his career Kohli may overtake Dhoni.

 

[subshakerz]

Aus - Bradman, Warne, Lillee, Gilchrist
Eng - Grace, Hobbs, Trueman, Botham
Ind - Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kapil, Dhoni
Pak - Imran, Wasim, Miandad, Younis
SA - Pollock G, Kallis, Smith, Steyn
SL - Ranatunge, Muralidaran, Jayasuria, Sangakkara
NZ - Hadlee, Crowe, Williamson, McCullum
WI - Worrell, Sobers, Richards, Marshall

Not the best four cricketers per se but based on the influence

I think Benaud deserves to be in the Aussie Rushmore.

 

[cnerd123]

What I want to know is who was the WG Grace of Bangladesh cricket.

So I was listening to Jarrod Kimber's new Double Century podcast series, and in the episode about Bangladesh (S3E02, When the Tigers Beat the Lions) he talks a bit about Raqibul Hasan.

Back when Bangladesh was East Pakistan the Pakistan cricket team would often pick a token East Pakistani player in their sides to show representation. Raqibul was an enormous talent and was the first one selected on merit. At 18 YO he became the first and only Bengali to represent the full strength Pakistan side, playing at Dhaka in front of his home ground.

For that game he was asked to use a bat carrying the sticker of the ruling Pakistani political party. Instead he and other Bengali East-Pakistani player chose to plaster a 'Joy Bangla' sticker over that on their bats instead, a phrase that was becoming a rallying cry for the growing independence movement. The final day of that game riots broke out all across Dhaka and the stadium was invaded. The Pakistani team fled back home, while Raqibul went to Kolkata and joined the independence movement with his family. Within that month Bangladesh were at war for their freedom. He lost 6 relatives to the war.

After Bangladesh had gained independence, he worked hard on rebuilding a cricketing infrastructure in his home country, and when Bangladesh finally played their first game, he was the captain.

Definitely worthy of Mount Rushmore status IMO.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Did he also retire young ?

 

[Zinzan]

Great captain, but hard to include a guy who didn't average 40 at Test level until his final knock, and scored 9 tons v about 40 half tons.

I'd have Ross ahead of him, but would also think Dempster, Sutcliffe deserve a look-in or Martin Donnelly.

Fleming had a bigger impact on NZ cricket than those other 3. Not dissimilar to the argument for Ranatunga's head on SL's Rushmore.

Ironically the stout Sri Lankan had an even worse century conversion than Fleming, if that's possible for a specialised bat playing over 90 tests: 4 tons in 93 tests.

 

[trundler]

The Boss has surely had a monumental impact on NZ cricket to go with his status as a lock for their ATXI

 

[Aritro]

So I was listening to Jarrod Kimber's new Double Century podcast series, and in the episode about Bangladesh (S3E02, When the Tigers Beat the Lions) he talks a bit about Raqibul Hasan.

Back when Bangladesh was East Pakistan the Pakistan cricket team would often pick a token East Pakistani player in their sides to show representation. Raqibul was an enormous talent and was the first one selected on merit. At 18 YO he became the first and only Bengali to represent the full strength Pakistan side, playing at Dhaka in front of his home ground.

For that game he was asked to use a bat carrying the sticker of the ruling Pakistani political party. Instead he and other Bengali East-Pakistani player chose to plaster a 'Joy Bangla' sticker over that on their bats instead, a phrase that was becoming a rallying cry for the growing independence movement. The final day of that game riots broke out all across Dhaka and the stadium was invaded. The Pakistani team fled back home, while Raqibul went to Kolkata and joined the independence movement with his family. Within that month Bangladesh were at war for their freedom. He lost 6 relatives to the war.

After Bangladesh had gained independence, he worked hard on rebuilding a cricketing infrastructure in his home country, and when Bangladesh finally played their first game, he was the captain.

Definitely worthy of Mount Rushmore status IMO.

I had no idea about the Joi Bangla sticker, that's an incredible act of conviction and moral courage. Probably knew he was putting a test career on the line.

He's a wonderful studio analyst. Intelligent, consistently insightful, absolutely brimming with knowledge and able to discuss the game with a depth of thought that contrasts starkly with the vapid truisms that others have to offer. Like many educated Bangladeshis, he laces his Bangla delivery with plenty of English phrases but I don't think he's quite fluent enough to be used in the English language broadcast. Which is a shame.

 

[bagapath]

Mount Rushmore of cricket history... Not just a skill based list. it is about their impact on a cultural level on a global scale....

WG Grace
Don Bradman
Sir Gary Sobers
Sachin Tendulkar

(The top four in terms of skills would be

Bradman
Sobers
Imran
Warne)

 

[Slifer]

Mount Rushmore of cricket history... Not just a skill based list. it is about their impact on a cultural level on a global scale....

WG Grace
Don Bradman
Sir Gary Sobers
Sachin Tendulkar

(The top four in terms of skills would be

Bradman
Sobers
Imran
Warne)

Surely one of the other great ARs : Kallis, Miller, hell even Hadlee.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Mount Rushmore of cricket history... Not just a skill based list. it is about their impact on a cultural level on a global scale....

WG Grace
Don Bradman
Sir Gary Sobers
Sachin Tendulkar

(The top four in terms of skills would be

Bradman
Sobers
Imran
Warne)

I'd probably have Imran over Sir Gaz in terms of cultural impact; he is literally the head of state in Pakistan now, after all.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I'd probably have Imran over Sir Gaz in terms of cultural impact; he is literally the head of state in Pakistan now, after all.

Great ppl don't become heads of state.

 

[SteveNZ]

Fleming had a bigger impact on NZ cricket than those other 3. Not dissimilar to the argument for Ranatunga's head on SL's Rushmore.

Ironically the stout Sri Lankan had an even worse century conversion than Fleming, if that's possible for a specialised bat playing over 90 tests: 4 tons in 93 tests.

I don't know a lot about the other three (if referring to Dempster, Sutcliffe and Donnelly) but I would have to believe they were forerunners for professionalism in this country.

Did Fleming have a significant impact on the way the game was played in this country? I'm not sure. He was certainly an outstanding captain, who made strides in terms of analysis of the opposition. You could attribute that to Steve Rixon, too. There could be an argument that his failure to live up to his potential was a standard set for others, and there were players in that era who were able to coast along producing much less than they were capable of.

Ranatunga completely changed that country around from minnows to World Cup winners. His attitude was a lot more bullish and effectual than Fleming's, I'd argue. I dunno, it just doesn't sit well with me to have Fleming on our Mount Rushmore. For others, it might.

Probably a bit of recency bias but I'd much rather see Ross there for the way he played the game, his contribution to our success, his impact on young people playing the game, and the way he handled 2012. If he handles that badly, probably not much of the recent years happens to us. Then you could factor in the impact of being a Polynesian guy who has succeeded in our sport, although I'm not sure how much that impact is because I'm not involved in grassroots.

 

[bagapath]

Surely one of the other great ARs : Kallis, Miller, hell even Hadlee.

three giants. but don't know if they would make it to either list. perhaps, hadlee to the second (skills) but I am not sure if any of the other could be replaced.

was so difficult to leave out sir viv richards from the first list. after all, his name is still box office.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

If this thread had been made a year ago one would've thought Heath Streak would've been a shoo in.

Now, not so much.

Maybe, as we're considering cultural impact, Duncan Fletcher and Pommie Mbangwa would be in the mix, for their coaching and broadcasting respectively?

Colin De Grandhomme

 

[subshakerz]

Mount Rushmore of cricket history... Not just a skill based list. it is about their impact on a cultural level on a global scale....

WG Grace
Don Bradman
Sir Gary Sobers
Sachin Tendulkar

(The top four in terms of skills would be

Bradman
Sobers
Imran
Warne)

Wouldn't Viv have more cultural impact than Sobers, though Sobers is a superior cricketer?