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Yeah but players don't just exponentially keep getting better as their careers go along. They plateau, and they also get worked out a bit.
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KW vs. ABDV, 2016 and beyond
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kiwiviktor81
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Yeah the degree to which this will happen really determines the answer to this thread. As I found out today, not even KW thinks KW is as good as ABDV. So it's probably fair to say, regardless of current Test rankings, that ABDV is better right now.
But as you say, batsmen plateau. So I don't expect ABDV to get much better from here because he is already 5 or 6 years older than KW. The same thing will no doubt happen to KW, but if this year is any indicator it has not happened yet. But by the time it does, will KW be better than ABDV? I think yes - although ABDV probably has more natural talent he's up against a machine.
AB de Villiers has to be top 3 of all time in ODIs, surely? Him, Viv and Sachin are streets ahead of the Bevan-Dhoni led pack (obvs all having different roles, but whatevs). Williamson will be an extremely good, world class ODI player, but he'll never be good enough to break clear of that ATG pack to hit GOAT contention.
In Tests? AB's not nearly as special -- he's well and truly in the ATG pack with a lot of other huge names. I'd back KW to break clear of it, tbh, to really be in contention for GOAT (Bradman Excluded). I think he's going to be that good.
In Tests? AB's not nearly as special -- he's well and truly in the ATG pack with a lot of other huge names. I'd back KW to break clear of it, tbh, to really be in contention for GOAT (Bradman Excluded). I think he's going to be that good.
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AWTA. Viv, Sachin, DeVilliers, Dhoni and Dean Jones are the stand out batsmen in ODIs all time for mine. Ponting and Bevan deserve a mention but I think they're a tad below those others.
Williamson is great in ODIs but I don't know if he has that extra x-factor that puts him right in the top tier.
As for tests, Williamson is pure joy to watch, and from the limited amount I've seen, the sky is the limit. Beautifully rounded and balanced player, who could very well end up in the top tier of test batsmen.
Williamson is great in ODIs but I don't know if he has that extra x-factor that puts him right in the top tier.
As for tests, Williamson is pure joy to watch, and from the limited amount I've seen, the sky is the limit. Beautifully rounded and balanced player, who could very well end up in the top tier of test batsmen.
Coronis
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Haven't heard Dean Jones mentioned before..
TheJediBrah
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lel knew thread was started by a NZer without even looking
Spark
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You knew a thread started by a poster called kiwiviktor was started by a NZer? Incredible insight.
RossTaylorsBox
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Well he is a scientist.
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wouldn't have thought that the startlingly obvious "without looking at the poster" needed to be directly stated in a forum of relatively functioning individuals over the age of 5 but I stand corrected
dontcloseyoureyes
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AB de Villiers is the most unique and versatile batsman I've ever watched. I am genuinely glued to the television every time he bats. Kane is a fantastic batsman and one of the best 2 or 3 batsmen to watch in terms of pure technical excellence, but I'd still take AB.
In terms of rest-of-career rankings, Kane will obviously be the better test match batsman as his skill-set is made for that form of the game. ODI's I don't know if there's anything he could do with the remainder of his career for it to be better than AB's.
In terms of rest-of-career rankings, Kane will obviously be the better test match batsman as his skill-set is made for that form of the game. ODI's I don't know if there's anything he could do with the remainder of his career for it to be better than AB's.
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Ahead of his time in a few ways.
honestbharani
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Think you have to look at it as guys who either changed the role definition of their respective batting positions as amongst the greatest ODI Batsmen of all time OR they are just so so ****ing awesome so consistently at their roles that it beggars belief.
So that means,
Sachin
Gilly
King Viv
ABDV
Dhoni
Bevan
Hussey
Klusener (at his best)
Dean Jones
EDIT: So while AB has totally changed what LO batting is all about, I feel Kane can still get on the list in a few years by the latter qualification.
So that means,
Sachin
Gilly
King Viv
ABDV
Dhoni
Bevan
Hussey
Klusener (at his best)
Dean Jones
EDIT: So while AB has totally changed what LO batting is all about, I feel Kane can still get on the list in a few years by the latter qualification.
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No Viv? Boo.
honestbharani
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whoa... thought I had him. It was a miss.
doesitmatter
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i would have Sanath instead of Gilly..Sanath was as brutal as Gilly and more and Miandad for Hussey showed the value of singles in ODI..
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2 excellent changes if your goal is to significantly weaken the team
kiwiviktor81
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I'd have Amla on that list. No-one else has scored like that at the top of the order in ODI cricket ever.
Coronis
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Apparently he's not good enough til he performs better in the WC.