Kapil vs Kohli

[Sunil1z]

Also he's not better than Kohli anywhere except NZ but who cares about that. Kohli is the third best Indian batsman away. Almost no touring batsman has been that good in SA let alone Asian batsmen (except Tendulkar).

Are you forgetting about Mohinder Amaranth(3rd best batsman away) ? He is one of the rare Asian cricketers whose overall average takes a hit because of not so good home average.

 

[OverratedSanity]

. Almost no touring batsman has been that good in SA let alone Asian batsmen (except Tendulkar).

4th imo. I have a hard time putting him ahead of Dravid even though Dravid was terrible in SA. If kohli was marginally better in eng/nz I'd rank him higher,but his weakness to lateral movement has always been glaring.

Kohli's record in SA definitely a huge point in his favour though. All other Asian atg batsmen (Dravid, inzi, sanga, younis) found it extremely tough going in sa. And kohli' s made runs on some nightmare pitches there.

 

[BazBall21]

Kohli v Root overseas is actually close imo. Root is more consistent and hasn’t suffered the extent of Kohli’s troughs, but Kohli has hit the greater heights.

 

[BazBall21]

Amarnath had such a weird career

 

[trundler]

Are you forgetting about Mohinder Amaranth(3rd best batsman away) ? He is one of the rare Asian crickets whose overall average takes a hit because of not so good home average.

4th imo. I have a hard time putting him ahead of Dravid even though Dravid was terrible in SA. If kohli was marginally better in eng/nz I'd rank him higher,but his weakness to lateral movement has always been glaring.

I miscounted. He's definitely nowhere near Dravid but Dravid is special and a titan. Dunno about Amaranth. Definitely better than VVS and closer to the best for Asian batsmen tho.

 

[Sunil1z]

Amarnath had such a weird career

Yeah
Home average:31
Away average:51 ?

 

[BazBall21]

I miscounted. He's definitely nowhere near Dravid but Dravid is special and a titan. Dunno about Amaranth. Definitely better than VVS and closer to the best for Asian batsmen tho.

Amarnath in WI/Pak/Aus vs Kohli in SA/Aus/Eng would actually be close. Gavaskar had a few issues overseas that aren’t reflected in immediate averages but he’s still probably ahead of Kohli.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Amarnath 1983 west indies series is nuts

 

[BazBall21]

Amarnath is like India’s Gooch. Finished with a modest average but has some insane performances against fast bowling.

 

[Sunil1z]

Amarnath is like India’s Gooch. Finished with a modest average but has some insane performances against fast bowling.

Very good example. ?

 

[Sunil1z]

Amarnath in WI/Pak/Aus vs Kohli in SA/Aus/Eng would actually be close. Gavaskar had a few issues overseas that aren’t reflected in immediate averages but he’s still probably ahead of Kohli.

Even Gavaskar admits it .

 

[Everton Seymour]

Kohli is a pioneer of Indian cricket, people will only realise his contribution once he retires .The instance on five bowler strategy, fitness requirements on the Indian team, his captaincy record , most double hundreds by an Indian player he definitely gets into an ATG test line up for India

 

[OverratedSanity]

The instance on five bowler strategy, fitness requirements on the Indian team

Worst thing about his captaincy, don't @ me

 

[BazBall21]

Kohli had the better peak. Kapil probably just ahead overall.

 

[Coronis]

I do enjoy threads comparing batsmen with all rounders.

 

[h_hurricane]

Kohli had the better peak. Kapil probably just ahead overall.

Kapil had 2 peaks with the bowling alone, early in his career.

Peak 1 : 27 tests 118 wickets @ 23
Peak 2: 19 tests 80 wickets @ 23

Not to mention that he contributed with the bat as well during this period. So not sure Kohli had a better peak. May be he came close in the 2016-2019 period. Also, it needs to be said that Kapil had nothing going for him as far as bowling support is concerned. Kohli too had a few series where he carried the batting on his shoulders, but nothing close to the duration that Kapil had to, in bowling.

Kapil is clearly ahead as the greater cricketer, though Kohli can come close if he can shed his frustrating decline and reverse his fortunes in the twilight years of his career.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The question should be
Ryan Harris vs Kohli

 

[Xix2565]

As it is, it's Kapil.

 

[Socerer 01]

Kohli is a pioneer of Indian cricket, people will only realise his contribution once he retires .The instance on five bowler strategy, fitness requirements on the Indian team, his captaincy record , most double hundreds by an Indian player he definitely gets into an ATG test line up for India

his captaincy was a mixed bag... the away tour wins in Australia are huge and I guess he can claim England as a win on technicalities but we also squandered chances in SA and England 2018 when his idiotic team selection set us back. Could argue that NZ away was also a winnable test series

we wouldn't have been this competitive without his insistence on fitness and pace bowlers to step up so props to him for that

 

[BazBall21]

India were always a considerably better all-round team than NZ but peak NZ were the best team in lateral movement-orientated conditions.