James Anderson vs Andy Roberts

[Johan]

I just think Roberts is a more skilled bowler.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I just think Roberts is a more skilled bowler.

Shane Bond was a more skilled bowler as well, as was Bruce Reid. And actually, Jimmy's skillset is underrated. Don't think skills were really what kept him apart from that top echelon

 

[Johan]

Shane Bond was a more skilled bowler as well, as was Bruce Reid. And actually, Jimmy's skillset is underrated. Don't think skills were really what kept him apart from that top echelon

They didn't have enough of a career to be judged really, Roberts did, especially with World Series Cricket.

 

[capt_Luffy]

They didn't have enough of a career to be judged really, Roberts did, especially with World Series Cricket.

Yeah and his career is just worse than Jimmy's more than twice long one.

 

[Johan]

Yeah and his career is just worse than Jimmy's more than twice long one.

their away averages say everything that needs to be said.

 

[capt_Luffy]

their away averages say everything that needs to be said.

Home kinda does too.

 

[Johan]

Home kinda does too.

Yeah but that's kind of my point, Jimmy was too reliant on cloud cover and dukes to be better than Roberts, great bowler with a long career but the quintessential fairweather bowler with some nice performances outside it, here and there but never consistent.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but that's kind of my point, Jimmy was too reliant on cloud cover and dukes to be better than Roberts, great bowler with a long career but the quintessential fairweather bowler with some nice performances outside it, here and there.

In Home matches over Roberts' career, the overall average was 32 and of WI bowlers was 27.3 with Croft leading with 17 playing 10 of his 18 games. Roberts was just relatively mid at home. Don't think has the record to justify being placed over Cummins, Walsh, Pollock, Rabada and Jimmy. Definitely on the very same tier but at the bottom with the least longevity and 2nd worst average.

 

[Johan]

In Home matches over Roberts' career, the overall average was 32 and of WI bowlers was 27.3 with Croft leading with 17 playing 10 of his 18 games. Roberts was just relatively mid at home. Don't think has the record to justify being placed over Cummins, Walsh, Pollock, Rabada and Jimmy. Definitely on the very same tier but at the bottom with the least longevity and 2nd worst average.

I'd argue even Snow has a fair case over Jimmy, let alone Roberts.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'd argue even Snow has a fair case over Jimmy, let alone Roberts.

You could argue, and your arguments can be wrong. If you unironically argue Snow>Anderson, I will honestly put it on the same tier as Greenidge>Weekes (@Thala_0710 will be happy)

 

[Johan]

You could argue, and your arguments can be wrong. If you unironically argue Snow>Anderson, I will honestly put it on the same tier as Greenidge>Weekes (@Thala_0710 will be happy)

I won't argue for that and I don't believe that but I find it funny how we are turning a guy nicknamed Clouderson into a complete Bowler and picking him over all condition potent bowlers when he wasn't rated this way throughout his career. I don't think Roberts>Anderson in 2020 or 21 would be controversial, same with Bedser.

 

[sayon basak]

You could argue, and your arguments can be wrong. If you unironically argue Snow>Anderson, I will honestly put it on the same tier as Greenidge>Weekes (@Thala_0710 will be happy)

Nah it won't. Greenidge>Weekes will stay unbeaten for a while.

 

[DrWolverine]

Roberts : Better bowler
Anderson : Greater career

 

[capt_Luffy]

I won't argue for that and I don't believe that but I find it funny how we are turning a guy nicknamed Clouderson into a complete Bowler and picking him over all condition potent bowlers when he wasn't rated this way throughout his career. I don't think Roberts>Anderson in 2020 or 21 would be controversial, same with Bedser.

Bro I am not saying there's a big gap or anything but Jimmy has nearly thrice the wickets at 1 run higher average.

 

[sayon basak]

I won't argue for that and I don't believe that but I find it funny how we are turning a guy nicknamed Clouderson into a complete Bowler and picking him over all condition potent bowlers when he wasn't rated this way throughout his career. I don't think Roberts>Anderson in 2020 or 21 would be controversial, same with Bedser.

And in 2025, it's still not controversial (at least shouldn't be)

 

[Johan]

Bro I am not saying there's a big gap or anything but Jimmy has nearly thrice the wickets at 1 run higher average.

It's like Harvey vs Jayawerdene

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's like Harvey vs Jayawerdene

Would be if Roberts had an away country like Harvey's SA, or Anderson sucked away like Jayawardene. It's not.

 

[Coronis]

Would be if Roberts had an away country like Harvey's SA, or Anderson sucked away like Jayawardene. It's not.

What does Anderson average away again?

 

[capt_Luffy]

What does Anderson average away again?

Including UAE, 266 @29.83
Roberts at home: 72 @28.75

 

[Coronis]

Including UAE, 266 @29.83
Roberts at home: 72 @28.75

So yes, he sucks away