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Italian Football Scandal

Pothas

Hall of Fame Member
With the build up to the World cup this story has been rather queit but ive just heard a report on radio 5 on it and it's shocking how far reaching it seems to have been.

This BBC report sums it up pretty well

The corruption scandal engulfing Italy has left the country with a real sense of shame.
Former Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi is alleged to have fixed matches and pretty much controlled the Italian league.
It is claimed he had control of some of the top referees and administrators as well as over 220 players through an agency run by his son Alessandro, and the son of Italian coach Marcello Lippi, Davide.
AC Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio are also caught up in the scandal as are the national team, who are preparing for the World Cup.



Italy, and the whole of European football, has not seen anything like this before.

I travelled there for three days last week to try and speak to the main players.

After a marathon 22-hour day, we cornered the owner of Palermo, Rino Foschi, in a restaurant at 0100 to gauge his views on what has been going on.

Foschi was having dinner with the directors of Sampdoria and Fiorentina in a restaurant in Milan and I managed to persuade him to have a brief conversation on tape with me.

The scene was like something out of a Godfather film, and I half expected Robert de Niro or Al Pacino to be sitting at the next table.

I also spoke to Giuseppe Gazzoni-Frascara, the former owner of Bologna. The club was relegated in 2005 and Gazzoni-Frascara told me it was as a result of the "Moggi system".


Moggi resigned after Juventus won the Italian championship last month

He claimed that Bologna were not prepared to sign up and ended up being relegated instead of Fiorentina.


I set out to speak to Moggi himself, which none of the Italian media has managed to do - and I got very close.

Through various intermediaries he finally agreed for me to fly and meet him in Turin but it got vetoed by his lawyer, which was very frustrating.

However, we did manage to get the country's new sports minister, Giovanna Melandri, who said Italian football fans have suffered a great wound but insisted that things could be sorted out.

And I will be discussing the issue with Fifa president Sepp Blatter, world football's most senior figure, to get his take on the scandal.

My feeling as I left Italy was that the whole of their national game is in danger of imploding. How they are going to clean up a mess which is so interwoven?
Juve's title celebrations may be shortlived

This was highlighted at a press conference where Italian League president and AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani was speaking.

Some Italians believe he should have known what was going on and at the press conference a mob of about 50 fans gathered outside chanting and letting off smoke bombs. It was all pretty scary.

Juventus fans are in a particularly terrible position. They could see their club relegated to Serie B or even go out of business if the Agnelli family decides to stop funding the club.

There is real urgency here because all the national federations have to give Uefa the official lists of clubs who are competing in the Champions League and the Uefa Cup by 27 July.

Italian football will have to come up with some pretty strong answers and satisfy Uefa that they are in the process of cleaning up the game.

They have not got long to do this and there is the possibility that the biggest brands in world football like Juventus and AC Milan may not feature in Europe next season.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Wow. Biggest thing to hit football in years....could have massive ramifications. Clubs being relegated, players leaving, huge debts, things like that. Italian football may be irreparably damaged, which would be shame.
 

Pothas

Hall of Fame Member
They are in a total mess. The whole league is effected by this and there were even reports of higlights shows being fixed so they didnt show some of the more obvious match fixing. Add this to Declining crowds, old stadiums and massive hooligan problems and Italian football is beyond crisis.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
its a sorry state of affairs thats for sure, but its hardly one of the best leagues in the world, some sort of decline was probably needed in order for it to rebuild properly, i dont think anyone realised it was going to be such a severe, sudden decline.
 

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
sledger said:
its a sorry state of affairs thats for sure, but its hardly one of the best leagues in the world
No, only a part of the "Big Three" of Europe....
(England, Spain & Italy)
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
sledger said:
why? they deserve all they get im afraid.
Oh, of course they deserve it - it's just a shame to see a footballing superpower brought to its knees, whatever the circumstances.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
funny if its traced back to blatter and hes behind it all....well, would be for a few mins, then id realise how awful it all was.
 

Pothas

Hall of Fame Member
some people are blaming old Bellesconi. It is corruption so it must have something to do with him
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
writing on the wall for lots of these sorts of officials, looks like its time for their just deserts, and about time to.
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
Matteh said:
No, only a part of the "Big Three" of Europe....
(England, Spain & Italy)
Well certainly might not be again. Holland? Germany? Not enough quality so it's probablt the "Big Two" now.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
the premiership is vastly overated im afraid to say, but i shant waste my breath on that again, i remember the results of the last episode.
 

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
roseboy64 said:
Well certainly might not be again. Holland? Germany? Not enough quality so it's probablt the "Big Two" now.
Holland, France, Germany all have their big clubs, but the gap between those at the top and those at the bottom is much bigger. Although Chelsea and Sunderland....:mellow:
 

Pothas

Hall of Fame Member
The premiership is definetly the 2nd best league in Europe. Spain this season has clearly proved itselt to be better.

Itallian football has been in delcine for a number of years but this is going to make their problems even worse
 

Craig

World Traveller
Spanish football would be better if they didn't have idiotic refs (some of them I have seen are horrible), and given I got to see a fair bit of La Liga in the season just gone, I believe I saw plenty. That and the constant diving.

Of course this match-fixing scandal in Italy is hardly new - Genoa won promotion from Serie B in 04/05 but were found gulity fixing their last game because they thought their opponents were going to do the same thing so they felt they would do it just in case - except they got caught and got dropped down to last spot and therefore relegated to Serie C1A but had to start on -3 points. And then there was the case in 03/04 involving some of the Tuscan sides (like Siena and I believe Empoli) but I can't remember some of the finer details now.

As for Juventus well if they are found gulity does this mean that Luis Figo is owed an apology and his fine refunded for having the book thrown at him since giving an outburst about the refs and how much they helped Juventus (and in plenty of games this season)? In fact I believe this is how Roma - Juventus rivalary started many years ago so it has been no secret in that Juventus have had some more helpfull decisions go their way. Something Marc used to go on about about Man U and getting penalties and/or free kicks.

There has been some talk that Inter could get the title if Juve and Milan are found to be involved, but being an Inter fan I feel as though it wouldn't be as deserved, but more on default for two teams ahead on the table who decided to take part in illegal practices. Not surprisingly Inter captain Javier Zanetti was quoted in a press conference on the Inter website that the title would be deserved. I don't know, but I wouldn't mind having the title from a few seasons ago when they blew it on the last day, partly when they thought they had it won and when Ronaldo was denied a blatant penalty.

If Juventus are relegated, it would seem Real Madrid would be the biggest winners by getting the bargin buys of a lifetime (but why they would want Buffon when they have Iker Casillas I don't know, who I rate as the 2nd best in the world) and Fabio Capello to return as manager.

Although if Juve, Milan, Fiorentina, and Lazio are relegated/barred from Europe, it would look farcial to have potential representations of Chievo and Palermo as well as Inter and Roma who would get in automatically.
 

nibbs

International Captain
i'm surprised that roma haven't implicated yet. surely only a matter of time
 

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