Prince EWS
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If there's any argument for Vettori being better than Kallis, it certainly isn't effectiveness. Kallis is Mister Effective.
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Is Daniel Vettori the best 'all-rounder' at the moment?
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Zinzan
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As most have highlighted already, it's his lack of penetration as a bowler at Test level that counts against Vettori, a flaw which to me has been typified in this current test. Karneria took a 7-fer on what is a very flat/good batting track whereas Vettori hasn't been able to eek even one wicket in either innings to date.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Perhaps a better question might have been "is Vettori the second best all-rounder at the moment?" ... and will therefore become the best allrounder once Kallis retires.
Who is the competition? Off the top of my head, other allrounders at present are Watson (if he can stay fit), England have Broad, SL have Matthews, Windies have Bravo, Bangladesh have Shakib... anyone I'm missing?
Who is the competition? Off the top of my head, other allrounders at present are Watson (if he can stay fit), England have Broad, SL have Matthews, Windies have Bravo, Bangladesh have Shakib... anyone I'm missing?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Johnson?
bagapath
International Captain
in ODIs Ryan TD for sure. And Johnson in tests.
Athlai
Not Terrible
The Lankan posters do so I reckon he'll come good.
Flem274*
123/5
Yeah but we could say Elliott is a world class test allrounder in the making.
Not trying to say the SL dudes are biased, but we can't just go on "his fans think he's good" Athers
Athlai
Not Terrible
Yeah but does Elliott have the FC record Matthews does? He also averages almost 40 in Tests with the bat. Elliott averages about bugger all.Yeah but we could say Elliott is a world class test allrounder in the making.
Not trying to say the SL dudes are biased, but we can't just go on "his fans think he's good" Athers
Don't personally think Mathews can bowl to any great standard though.
Prince EWS
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Yeah Mathews cops a lot of **** for his batting I think it's good enough for the role he plays. Needs to do more with the ball though.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Definitely would have to be a contender
thierry henry
International Coach
Hoping this is commentator's curse in reverse, but once again Vettori is failing epically when given a chance to bowl us to victory.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Contenders or are you saying they are the best?
Mr Mxyzptlk
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I think the more responsibility Mathew's gets with the bat, the better he will perform. He obviously has a lot of talent and hunger for success.
Howsie
International Captain
Yea, I was talking about his bowling. IMO he's nothing more then a part-timer in international cricket.
I haven't seen enough of him batting to make a proper assessment, but he has looked fairly good from what I've seen
Furball
Evil Scotsman
And a bloody good one at that. Most teams would kill for a leading bowler with over 250 Test wickets @31.
Then factor in his 10,000 runs.
This thing you've got against Kallis is one of the stupidest things I've read on CW.
edit: actually forgot to mention that on his form over the past 2 and a bit years, Kallis easily gets into the side as a bowler alone.
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bagapath
International Captain
RTD close to being the best. not sure. johnson is a second tier contender in tests. a contender nevertheless
Vikas Bhatt
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This thread is certainly going well. Didn't expect so much passionate response to a simple question. This is a good forum unlike the one from where I am planning to migrate. Full of banal baiters, abusers and tosser only interested in ****fests.....
Athlai
Not Terrible
RTD nowhere near the best IMO.