ICL & BCCI set to talk

[Richard]

So because the BCCI run cricket in India, noone can ever play the game outside of it? Challenges to sporting establishments are a good thing in many ways, as sport generally comes out of such things stronger.

Just because one is 'official' and one is not does not mean the other is not cricket. A steak is not cricket () the ICL is.

Australian cricket was severely weakened by the Packer schism, and nor was it just a short-term thing. Challenges to sporting establishments in my experience are a routine bad thing, unless the sporting establishment manages to fight them off. The least disruption - and the most enjoyable international cricket - happens if there are no such challenges.

The same factors aren't in place though, there is no evidence that the ICL wish to disrupt the international game. International cricketers bring crowds in and get people to switch on the TV. People who have retired from internationals to play two months a year don't.

Tell that to the however many millions there were that watched the ICL (numbers which increased during the competition's first year).

We're not talking about the past now though, Richard. And we're not talking about Indian Cricket. IPL is bad for international cricket. The BCCI are bad for international cricket.

I don't see any particular reason to presume it's any different now to 10, 30 or 60 years ago TBH. The IPL may be dangerous for international cricket (though clearly it also has its benefits) but a well-run BCCI would be brilliant, in fact, for the game. That's unlikely ever to happen, but really, it's irrelevant to the question about private leagues.

 

[GIMH]

It comes down to whether you believe it matters whether or not a league is private. I don't, and just because WSC happened doesn't mean that the same will happen again. Cricket is cricket whoever is in charge of it. BCCI is not irrelevant to the question of private leagues. I repeat a point I have made before, the only harm ICL has done to cricket so far has been the players deprived to the international game because of it, but this is, in fact, the BCCI, not the ICL's fault.

Tell me, Rich, why does it matter what the BCCI recognises as official, yet it doesn't matter what the ICC classifies as a Test match?

 

[Indipper]

The greatest damage the ICL has done so far was that it led to the creation of the IPL.

 

[Sanz]

The greatest damage the ICL has done so far was that it led to the creation of the IPL.

What next, It is Subhash Chandra's mother biggest mistake that she gave birth to such a child who would go on to create ICL.

It is getting more and more ridiculous everyday.

 

[GIMH]

I think you've missed her point their Sanz, it was tongue-in-cheek ie the only bad thing to come of the ICL is the IPL. Indipper certainly wasn't pointing fingers at ICL.

 

[Indipper]

What next, It is Subhash Chandra's mother biggest mistake that she gave birth to such a child who would go on to create ICL.

It is getting more and more ridiculous everyday.

So far, dudes were only talking about the damage done to the game by ICL, not by Chandra's mother. But good catch.

 

[Sanz]

Beautiful. So without knowing how much your colleague is making for the same work, how'd you rate yourself? Or you leave the entire thing to the HR? Funny in that case you are a fantastic worker from the organisation's p.o.v. One who would take what he is given, without a demur.

 

[Sanz]

I think you've missed her point their Sanz, it was tongue-in-cheek ie the only bad thing to come of the ICL is the IPL. Indipper certainly wasn't pointing fingers at ICL.

So far, dudes were only talking about the damage done to the game by ICL, not by Chandra's mother. But good catch.

Oops..Sorry

 

[Precambrian]

Even the TV audience rejects ICL I think it's a white elephant Zee is trying to run.

 

[Richard]

It comes down to whether you believe it matters whether or not a league is private. I don't, and just because WSC happened doesn't mean that the same will happen again. Cricket is cricket whoever is in charge of it. BCCI is not irrelevant to the question of private leagues. I repeat a point I have made before, the only harm ICL has done to cricket so far has been the players deprived to the international game because of it, but this is, in fact, the BCCI, not the ICL's fault.

Tell me, Rich, why does it matter what the BCCI recognises as official, yet it doesn't matter what the ICC classifies as a Test match?

It's not what the BCCI recognises as official that's of importance - what matters is what is (whether the BCCI realises it or not - fortunately they have) a threat to "official" (ie, the only that matters) cricket.

And I don't know how many times I'm going to have to repeat myself - I know the only harm to international cricket so far has been done by the BCCI. But I believe that should the ICL be left to its own devices it'd eventually do huge damage.

Can I prove beyond doubt that the ICL would do harm under such circumstances? Of course I can't. I believe that WSCs can always happen again. I think all precedent and common-sense points to that. I can't make you see the same thing as me - all we'd be able to do would be to wait and see. I do cringe when I see people burying their heads in the sand though, and I'm afraid the whole "the ICL might be fine" attitude does strike me as that, same way my "the ICL can do huge damage" attitude strikes those who don't understand the way I'm thinking as over-zealous.

If one cannot be persuaded that the ICL is WSC-like, then that's the way things are.

 

[Richard]

The greatest damage the ICL has done so far was that it led to the creation of the IPL.

Debateable as that is (I don't think something like the IPL could be organised in a couple of months) I think many worse things can potentially come of it, and it's the potential ills, not those which happen instantly, which matter to me.

And does anyone seriously think the IPL (or something very similar) wouldn't have happened eventually anyway, even if one does insist that the ICL was the only thing that caused it to happen in 2008?

 

[GIMH]

Richard, I don't want to go round in circles over this again, so let's just leave this there for now. I did say in my first post in the thread that I didn't want to get into this again

 

[Richard]

It's a pretty simple circle. You think the ICL isn't WSC-like; I think it is. There's not really a lot more to it than that.

I thought my previous post offered a decent "closure" to this "round"?

 

[GIMH]

Well, there's all the other stuff as well, but yeah.

As I said when I entered the thread, let's see what happens with these talks; it could change things considerably.

 

[Precambrian]

And I don't know how many times I'm going to have to repeat myself - I know the only harm to international cricket so far has been done by the BCCI. But I believe that should the ICL be left to its own devices it'd eventually do huge damage.

Convenient of you to ignore the Stanford circus?

 

[Richard]

I don't actually think the Stanford thingy has done much harm really. Nowhere near as much good as he could potentially have done with the amount of money on offer? Sure. But harm? No.

In any case, it wasn't what I was meaning - I was purely meaning out of two things: the BCCI and the ICL.

 

[andruid]

Even the TV audience rejects ICL I think it's a white elephant Zee is trying to run.

How many cricket events matched the IPL though if that is the standard set?

 

[Precambrian]

How many cricket events matched the IPL though if that is the standard set?

None so far I guess, except perhaps some old Indo-Pak encounters, just perhaps.

However the fact that IPL's ratings was 4 odd while ICL's around 0.2 clearly shows where it stands. Heck, even the Indo-Aus test match had better ratings. If ICL is trying to establish itself, surely needs better ratings than that. Not to mention the sparse crowds at the venue.

 

[Sanz]

And we are still waiting for Pnottath to accept his mistake when he made the following comment :-

ICL is a disease to cricket. So completely money minded and selfish so that they don't think twice before accomodating the likes of Shabbir Ahmed, banned for chucking. Is this the way they aim to "promote" cricket?

So instead if accepting that he is wrong, he has jumped around from one one thing to another and now posting something (like IPL Ratings Vs ICL ratings) no one has disputed so far in this thread or elsewhere on this forum.

 

[Precambrian]

And we are still waiting for Pnottath to accept his mistake when he made the following comment :-



So instead if accepting that he is wrong, he has jumped around from one one thing to another and now posting something (like IPL Ratings Vs ICL ratings) no one has disputed so far in this thread or elsewhere on this forum.

Hang me.