Crowe/Hadlee vs Ponting/McGrath

[subshakerz]

Which is a better duo for an average test team?

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

I would have thought that the better duo was clearly (Martin) Crowe and (Richard) Hadlee. The bowling is about equal, Hadlee more proven in an average Test team. Ponting obviously better with the bat than Crowe but adding on Hadlee's runs and next to nothing from McGrath, surely it must be the NZers who win this? Is there some sort of fielding difference which makes up for the runs disparity? What am I missing here?

 

[DrWolverine]

Ponting is a much better batsman than Crowe.

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Ponting is a much better batsman than Crowe.

RPI Hadlee = 23.3

RPI Crowe = 41.6

sum = 64.9

RPI Ponting = 46.6

RPI McGrath = 4.6

sum = 51.2

 

[Fuller Pilch]

WPI Hadlee = 23.3

WPI Crowe = 41.6

sum = 64.9

WPI Ponting = 46.6

WPI McGrath = 4.6

sum = 51.2

R, not W

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

R, not W

Thinking about Hadlee too much!

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

I see a Change vote button above. How can I use it to change all of the votes for Ponting and McGrath over to Crowe and Hadlee?

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Ponting is a much better batsman than Crowe.

Ponting RPI - Crowe RPI = 5

Crowe RPI - Hadlee RPI = 18.3

Hadlee RPI - McGrath RPI = 18.7

Ponting is a clearly better batsman than Crowe who's a much better batsman than Hadlee who's a much better batsman than McGrath.

Ponting = 9/10

Crowe = 8/10

Hadlee = 4.5/10

McGrath = 1/10

Ponting + McGrath = 10

Crowe + Hadlee = 12.5

12.5/10 = 1.25

(C + H) RPI/(P + M) RPI = 64.9/51.2 = 1.27

Not exactly rigorous but it seems to do the job!

 

[Johan]

Ponting is a much better batsman than Crowe.

Ugh, I blame New Zealand Cricket authorities for making Crowe debut so early and not taking care of his knee, After 1985 he averaged 51 in one of the most bowling dominant eras ever and scored heaps of runs everywhere, definitely had Ponting level talent and skill, wasted because of the knee, early debut and weak batting around him.

 

[Al Salvador]

Ponting is a much better batsman than Crowe.

And that's far from being correct. I'm not from New Zealand or anything, neither crowe is my favourite but bloke had batting ability of as good as anyone. Give him same circumstances as ponting, there's a no reason why he wouldn't have averaged 50+. Some things in life aren't meant to be unfortunately. I'm not saying crowe is better but I don't think there's a big gap once you adjust for variables.

 

[subshakerz]

Even though I voted for Crowe Hadlee, I can understand the argument that the batting advantage upfront of Ponting makes up for Hadlees runs.

 

[Al Salvador]

Even though I voted for Crowe Hadlee, I can understand the argument that the batting advantage upfront of Ponting makes up for Hadlees runs.

I think in normal career circumstances in Ponting's era, Crowe would have averaged 50

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Ponting - McGrath
with Ponting a captain and a an ATG fielder at any position, you would get.

 

[subshakerz]

Ponting - McGrath
with Ponting a captain and a an ATG fielder at any position, you would get.

Ponting was hardly a good captain much less a great one

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Ponting was hardly a good captain much less a great one

He was certainly good.

 

[subshakerz]

He was certainly good.

Lost three Ashes. Left Australia as a mid tier team. I dunno.